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  1. #31
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    Default Re: Passage planning UK to greece

    Quote Originally Posted by RupertW View Post
    Unless you’ve been to Croatia of course and have seen what a real choice of islands and anchorages look like
    For some reason Rupert some think Greece is the only place in the Med where there a good crusieing ground ,
    I can only assume there not sail any where else , if any thing Greece come third in the list after Croatia, Turkey ,
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  2. #32
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    Default Re: Passage planning UK to greece

    Quote Originally Posted by edsailing View Post
    I've done a delivery Plymouth to southern Italy in 20 days, including 2 brief stops, in a similar sized boat, me + 2 crew... Hard work, only another few days to Greece. Open on and cm93 plus the onboard chart plotter.

    Ignore tides, biggest possible problem is if you get a Levanter (easterly) across bay of Cadiz and the Straits.

    As I recall we overnighted in Bayona and Faro and then head down and go again!

    Good luck, it's achievable.
    Of course it's achievable,but the big if is if the weather plays along.
    For example few sailors really enjoy bashing to windward in a Force 6 plus with heavy rain, and most would sit it out and wait for a better forecast

  3. #33
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    Default Re: Passage planning UK to greece

    I have recently done Barcelona to Greece (UK to BCN via Azores was last year) in a 38 footer. 2 of us took a month, and needed all the time due to 3 stops for gale and above winds. For me it was a delivery trip, and of course it is possible.... but why? You will spend days motoring on fairly boring passages. You add wear to the boat and engine, not to mention about a grand on fuel and grub each way. A few hours online will give you all the passage planning that you need. Much better to stay and enjoy the Atlantic side unless you want to leave your boat in Greece for a few years.

  4. #34
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    Default Re: Passage planning UK to greece

    The cruising almanac and the Mediterranean almanac both Imray. They are all you need for planning along with appropriate charts.

    There are a lot of people trying to change your plan on this thread!

    I had a plan to take my boat to the med. I planned it over winter and sailed it in July. 1600nm to Valencia. I didn’t want to cruise there so I went nonstop outside the lanes off Portugal and Spain. My boat is a lot smaller than than yours and I could only load 70lt of diesel so spent about 3 days becalmed.

    18 days total would have been 15 if I could have carried more fuel.
    Oh, I did it singlehanded but that’s not everyone’s cup of tea.

    Gas’s her up and go mate. If you and the boat aren’t up to a spot of crappy weather then I’m sure you wouldn’t be planning the trip.

  5. #35
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    Default Re: Passage planning UK to greece

    Just to save you a bit of money , don't bother buying any almanac by the sound of things you not going to need then

    If he just wanted an answer of how long it take him to sail X miles all he as to do is the sum , X by boar speed throw in a few over night stop or none if he as enough crew and he got his answer
    but the distance is so far and the weather over that distance can be so unpredictable it's not that straight forward ,

    There nothing to say he will get the weather Patton someone else had .
    There nothing to say he make the speed of another boat .
    Another one who think his boat will keep the speed at 7/8 kts over that distance need to think again .
    Has I posted ,we had to wait two weeks to get a weather window to just sail 340 and that's not because the winds was going to be light and we had to motor ,
    the southern winds and high seas would had made the trip very uncomfortable , slow going almost double the mileage and at time dangerous,

    He maybe lucky to get good weather and motor all the way doing it in record time proving us all wrong but it doesn't stop there he then talking about going back on his self and crossing a ocean .

    People spend weeks/months just getting there boat ready to leave the med and do the crossing and some here are encouraging him to do the lot at a record fast pace .

    Of cause we all wish him well , maybe he report back and give us all an account how his trip went once he reach his destination.

    In the means time most of us in the Med are sitting out Sept storms and no sign for a gap to move any distance in the near future.
    Last edited by sailaboutvic; 11-09-19 at 07:29.
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  6. #36
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    Default Re: Passage planning UK to greece

    Quote Originally Posted by sailaboutvic View Post
    Just to save you a bit of money , don't bother buying any almanac by the sound of things you not going to need then

    If he just wanted an answer of how long it take him to sail X miles all he as to do is the sum , X by boar speed throw in a few over night stop or none if he as enough crew and he got his answer
    but the distance is so far and the weather over that distance can be so unpredictable it's not that straight forward ,

    There nothing to say he will get the weather Patton someone else had .
    There nothing to say he make the speed of another boat .
    Another one who think his boat will keep the speed at 7/8 kts over that distance need to think again .
    Has I posted ,we had to wait two weeks to get a weather window to just sail 340 and that's not because the winds was going to be light and we had to motor ,
    the southern winds and high seas would had made the trip very uncomfortable , slow going almost double the mileage and at time dangerous,

    He maybe lucky to get good weather and motor all the way doing it in record time proving us all wrong but it doesn't stop there he then talking about going back on his self and crossing a ocean .

    People spend weeks/months just getting there boat ready to leave the med and do the crossing and some here are encouraging him to do the lot at a record fast pace .

    Of cause we all wish him well , maybe he report back and give us all an account how his trip went once he reach his destination.

    In the means time most of us in the Med are sitting out Sept storms and no sign for a gap to move any distance in the near future.
    No wind and motoring isn’t good weather.
    He is planning the trip for next year not tomorrow. September storms won’t stop him getting to the med but they may effect his plan to start the ARC if he leaves it too late to head west again.
    Anyone contemplating the trip including an Atlantic crossing should be able to weather all but the most exceptional storm. I’m sitting in Valencia listening to the wind howl as I type but this storm is no worse than I sailed in on the way here.

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    Default Re: Passage planning UK to greece

    When we did the ARC we spent time in Portugal , we left from Lagos, and Spain then the Canaries, Greece is too far to go. Speed is down to the weather when we crossed the Atlantic we had light winds and were praying for squalls which we got. Before we left we did a RYA first aid course which gives all the drugs and medical kit you need to carry when thousands of miles from land plus a sea survival course.

  8. #38
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    Default Re: Passage planning UK to greece

    I'm also planning an Atlantic crossing in Nov 2020 with my family starting in the Canaries - not with the ARC though - maybe the nARC?
    This summer I took the boat from Edinburgh to A Coruna, where she's now out of the water until March when we'll move on board. Our plan is to pootle down Spain & Portugal to Gibraltar and then on to the Canaries for the start of Nov. If we find ourselves in Gibraltar with enough time we *could* dip in to the med around the Spanish coast, we'll just see how long it takes us to get to Gib.

    I don't quite follow your first mate's argument about going to Greece to avoid Biscay - crossing Biscay is a 3 day sail from Cornwall, you could do that and have the family meet you in A Coruna, then have a leisurely sail like ours. I think heading to Greece at the start of the season aiming to be in the Canaries for the ARC is crazy - part of the joy of cruising is ditching the schedule, any time that I have had to be on a schedule on our boat it has been stressful. Alternatively: crossing Biscay with the family should also be fine - sit in Falmouth and watch the weather, when it is good: go! When you're crossing the Atlantic, you're going to have to deal with whatever weather is thrown at you, so good to get the hang of it when help, shelter and rest are closer at hand.

    As for your question about crew: 3 adults is fine - that's how we crossed the Pacific.

  9. #39
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    Default Re: Passage planning UK to greece

    Quote Originally Posted by Graham376 View Post
    Why hurry to Greece and then back to the Atlantic for the ARC? If you haven't done it before, there are lots of places to see between Brittany and SW Spain, could spend all summer cruising and still not cover everywhere.
    +1

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    Default Re: Passage planning UK to greece

    If your wife is dead set on Greece then why not charter out there for a couple of weeks? The cost will be comparable with your travel plans and much more enjoyable.

    Then come back and do the Atlantic side to LP.

    I know you have asked for particular advice but the wealth of experience here seems to suggest that the foundation of your question is suspect. Given that your rationale is to satisfy your wife's desire then I suggest that this would be a good compromise; she gets Greece and you both get a fantastic cruise to LP. (Two years ago I convinced my non-saily girlfriend to sail to the Rias for the summer - she loved them despite the 4-day crossings, which she didn't enjoy.)

    I hope this doesn't sound pompous; it's meant to be supportive. If you keep with your plans then I wish you good luck, fair weather and calm seas.

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