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    Default Re: And another Car transporter falls over

    Quote Originally Posted by Sandy View Post
    Is that fire the cause or result of the accident?
    Result, I would think. Fires will cause capsizes when water is used particularly by shore fire brigades (eg the loss of the Normandie) but a capsize puts a lot of load on the lashings and vehicles often contain batteries and fuel.,.

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    Default Re: And another Car transporter falls over

    Quote Originally Posted by Minn View Post
    Result, I would think. Fires will cause capsizes when water is used particularly by shore fire brigades (eg the loss of the Normandie) but a capsize puts a lot of load on the lashings and vehicles often contain batteries and fuel.,.
    Thanks, it will be interesting to see if there is the equivalent of a MAIB report on this.
    Cynical Scottish very nearly retired engineer who sails a Gib'Sea 96.

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    Default Re: And another Car transporter falls over

    Quote Originally Posted by JumbleDuck View Post
    "Well, I’m not saying it wasn’t safe, it’s just perhaps not quite as safe as some of the other ones."
    Seems they are perfectly safe when operated correctly. However not the sort of ships to operate when ballast tank gauges are not working and gestermate the amount of water in ballast tanks where free surface in tanks is a big big problem. The Portsmouth ship was apparently uprighted by correcting a ballast issue.

    Seems these ships become perfectly stable at these extreme angles . Just have to hope that no faulty tank air vents are immersed so leading to more flooding.
    Last edited by Bilgediver; 13-09-19 at 09:51.
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    Default Re: And another Car transporter falls over

    And many ports require them to dump the foreign ballast water well offshore and re-fill with local sea water. (I believe this is so that any ballast water that they offload in port won't contain invasive species.) Several of them seem to have come to grief during this re-ballasting operation.
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    Default Re: And another Car transporter falls over

    Quote Originally Posted by DJE View Post
    And many ports require them to dump the foreign ballast water well offshore and re-fill with local sea water. (I believe this is so that any ballast water that they offload in port won't contain invasive species.)
    Or nuclear polluted water from Japan.

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    Default Re: And another Car transporter falls over

    Quote Originally Posted by Sybarite View Post
    Or nuclear polluted water from Japan.
    Does not really matter, so long as it is dumped beyond the environment
    It is all down to the fact that my wife does not understand me !!

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    Default Re: And another Car transporter falls over

    Quote Originally Posted by Bilgediver View Post
    not the sort of ships to operate when ballast tank gauges are not working and gestermate the amount of water in ballast tanks where free surface in tanks of is a big big problem.
    Nor indeed to estimate the weight of a consignment of Range Rovers at 800kg each and then stack all the cargo on the upper decks with nothing below...

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    Default Re: And another Car transporter falls over

    Quote Originally Posted by prv View Post
    Nor indeed to estimate the weight of a consignment of Range Rovers at 800kg each and then stack all the cargo on the upper decks with nothing below...
    A full f-you Range Rover is around 2,500kg. Even those tacky white stiletto Evoque things are 1,800kg.
    "Seamen are always wanting to do things the proper way; and I like to do them my way."

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    Default Re: And another Car transporter falls over

    Roll On Roll Off Roll Over......

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