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    https://www.theguardian.com/society/...-overseas-work
    'The Royal National Lifeboat Institution (RNLI) has been “overwhelmed” by the number of people who have leapt to its defence and dug into their pockets after the charity was criticised in two newspaper articles for its work saving people from drowning abroad.
    Rather than being defensive about negative articles in the Times and Mail Online, the RNLI said it was glad of the publicity about its overseas work and hoped the coverage could help it secure a UN resolution on drowning prevention.
    The charity’s website has had a month’s worth of traffic in a few days, with many people giving money for the first time.'

    Good on the RNLI, glad I was not the only one who contributed extra money following these press stories

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark-1 View Post
    FWIW I don't think it's fair to use quotation marks in that way.
    Quote Originally Posted by dom View Post
    Why should a radio statement be treated any different to written text?
    I think that you might have been inadvertently slightly misquoted them or paraphrased them and there's no way to verify what was actually said, hence a bit unfair to put it in quotation marks. (FWIW I doubt the term "new objectives" which seems contrary to what they're saying elsewhere.)

    Unless someone can find the recording we'll never know how accurate the quote is so little point in discussing it.
    Last edited by Mark-1; 19-09-19 at 14:27.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark-1 View Post
    I think that you might have been inadvertently slightly misquoted them or paraphrased them and there's no way to verify what was actually said, hence a bit unfair to put it in quotation marks. (FWIW I doubt the term "new objectives" which seems contrary to what they're saying elsewhere.)

    Unless someone can find the recording we'll never know how accurate the quote is so little point in discussing it.

    No misquote, nor is this particularly relevant. For the RNLI has this week adopted a perfectly consistent and well orchestrated position, portrayed via a modern multifaceted media campaign: some written some not, some formally documented, some not, some under the RNLI's name, some offered as off-the-record briefings to journalists. All perfectly normal although it doesn't come for free.

    Some donors will be encouraged, others disheartened. The early signs are great for the RNLI, the question being whether this new money is sticky. Legacy trends accounting for 64% of gross income, are ultimately key to the RNLI, compared to donations accounting for just 27%.

    We can all have a view, but only time will tell; at least a year or two.
    Last edited by dom; 19-09-19 at 15:00.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dom View Post
    No misquote
    We have no way of knowing that.

    Quote Originally Posted by dom View Post
    nor is this particularly relevant.
    The relevance is that if the RNLI are really claiming to have "new objectives" then clearly that is going to cost them donations, because people like the old objectives. On the other hand if they are still a British Isles lifeboat outfit that just happens to chuck a couple of per cent at other stuff then, long term, nobody will care.

    I think the RNLI are pushing the latter message. That unverifiable quote pushes the former.

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    I have read this thread from start to finish.

    I find myself persuaded by Juan Two-Three’s posts.

    There is nothing new in any of this - the RNLI operates, as it has done for many decades, with essentially three parts.

    First there are the people who persuade others to donate. Without these people, nothing is going to happen. They are part of the central organisation.

    Second, there are the people in the central organisation who design the boats and the stations and who supervise the building and the maintenance of the stations and the boats and who are responsible for making sure that everyone is properly trained and equipped.

    Thirdly there are the local volunteers who man each station and each boat.

    It has been that way since the RNLI was founded and there have always been truly spectacular rows between the people in the second group and some of those in the third group. Whole crews have stormed out and/or been fired for at least the past 150 years. It’s impossible to see the Lifeboat operating in any other way.

    Having said that, this system puts a huge weight on the Station Secretary, who is the interface between Poole and the crew and local volunteers. In an age that was more inclined to deference, things may have been easier.
    Last edited by Kukri; 20-09-19 at 20:46.

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    This week's instalment in the Mail on Sunday's campaign to see the RNLI go down the pan:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rrectness.html
    I'm not a spokesman for the RNLI. I just happen to drive one of their lifeboats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juan Twothree View Post
    This week's instalment in the Mail on Sunday's campaign to see the RNLI go down the pan:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rrectness.html
    So what’s his problem??? He quit cause he can’t tell dodgy jokes??

    Snowflake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by photodog View Post
    So what’s his problem??? He quit cause he can’t tell dodgy jokes??

    Snowflake.
    I thought he quit because the RNLI found that a colleague had set a flare off upside down, that hit another crew member, then burned the boat to the ground. I am not sure if it is the colleague who nearly killed the crew member, or the RNLI not taking action against the colleague that he finds issue with.

    his disillusionment stemmed from the handling of a probe into a fire on an inshore lifeboat in May 2016.

    Three colleagues were searching for a person reported to be in the sea off Skegness. When one of the crew tried to fire a flare, it struck a colleague and fell into the boat, setting it on fire. The crew escaped but the vessel was lost.


    The crew member who fired the flare insisted he had done so correctly but an investigation found the flare had been held upside down.


    Mr Kelly claimed the RNLI ‘hushed up’ the incident and volunteers were ordered not to discuss it. However, the RNLI said it did not blame the crew for the incident and took no action against them.
    "'...contradictions .... are deliberate exercises in doublethink." Orwell from 1984

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juan Twothree View Post
    This week's instalment in the Mail on Sunday's campaign to see the RNLI go down the pan:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rrectness.html
    Think I have found Sybarite in the comments

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