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    Quote Originally Posted by JumbleDuck View Post
    Bet you a fiver (to the RNLI) that it isn't. Most people expect them to be saving brave sailors and cowering passengers from the wrath of the ocean, not dropping everything on a nice day to tow in somebody without the wits to check their engine oil.
    Well let's say you are right about what they 'expect', at least the feckless yachty is firmly within the range of expectations.
    What is not within range of expectations of the Royal National Lifeboat Institution is the purchase of burkinis in Tanzania and providing free creche facilities in Bangladesh.
    As has been said, these activities may be entirely laudable - it is just that it is not the RNLI's business. It is international aid which ordinarily is conducted by international NGOs (who state their purpose clearly most of the time) and Government.
    By all means set up an International Lifeboat Institution and see how that fares donation wise. Those who believe we are obliged to care for everyone in the world equally, and with no regard to proximity, will be able to donate to their heart's content. Those who expect the RNLI to be using its donations to save lives in the UK, ROI, Isle of Man and Channel Islands will not be mislead or placed in a dilemma as to whether to donate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seajet View Post
    I know three people who are going to remove the RNLI from their wills because of this, and the news is less than a day old...
    Perhaps the people who knee-jerk on the basis of a newspaper headline are the same ones who believe slogans on buses, lies on immigration and promises of the easiest deal ever. Seajet, you should choose your acquaintances more carefully!

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    Quote Originally Posted by awol View Post
    Perhaps the people who knee-jerk on the basis of a newspaper headline are the same ones who believe slogans on buses, lies on immigration and promises of the easiest deal ever. Seajet, you should choose your acquaintances more carefully!
    Simply because you disagree with their decision, you describe it as 'knee-jerk', mix it up with Brexit insults (and assume they must be part of the majority that voted Brexit) and tell Seajet to get new friends.

    You know nothing about these people at all and probably as much as I do about Seajet.

    Why could it not be a thought-through, reasonable decision of a rational person who makes a choice as to how their legacy is to be spent?

    You are suggesting there is only one possible decision - the sheer stupidity and arrogance of these comments beggars belief. Brexit has one very obvious downside at least - it has made formerly reasonable people unreasonable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JumbleDuck View Post
    True, but how much of their money do they expect to go on tows for leisure sailors who can't be bothered to do engine maintenance?
    Particularly those with sails they don't know/want to use.
    Getting into the nearest safe haven is one thing, getting a tow when inconvenienced & perhaps missing your train back to Town, is another & IMO charged for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seajet View Post
    They do that all the time for fishing boats who despite total reliance on engines are often surprisingly poorly maintained - a great many yotties, sail or power,attend engine maintenence courses, I was on a boat whose owner did this, and had his ( newish ) engine overhauled by a pro engineer over winter - the pro introduced a snag with the exhaust cooling, luckily there was enough wind to sail so we just missed our tide.

    Drifting with tide onto rocks in a calm deserves a lifeboat, IMO - I don't know about the new clueless Coastguard but in the good old days if someone broke down and not in danger but in need of a tow Solent Coastguard would point them to Seastart or yards with tow boats.
    "Drifting with tide onto rocks in a calm deserves" an anchor, not an RAC service.

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    Let's see you anchor to avoid rocks around the Channel Islands then, with those tides and depths.

    I was with a novice chum once when the engine failed - it was light winds and we had to make a certain tidal entrance.

    He was all for calling a local marina for a towboat - NB NOT a Mayday to the CG - but I stopped him, ' we've got sails and an anchor '.

    That was in a soft mud harbour with small tides - in Alderney Race or The Swinge say, I'd think differently, not a Mayday unless actually going for rocks but worth asking for a tow.

    As I mentioned earlier this is where Seastart are handy, if in the area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poecheng View Post
    Well let's say you are right about what they 'expect', at least the feckless yachty is firmly within the range of expectations.
    What is not within range of expectations of the Royal National Lifeboat Institution is the purchase of burkinis in Tanzania and providing free creche facilities in Bangladesh.
    As has been said, these activities may be entirely laudable - it is just that it is not the RNLI's business. It is international aid which ordinarily is conducted by international NGOs (who state their purpose clearly most of the time) and Government.
    By all means set up an International Lifeboat Institution and see how that fares donation wise. Those who believe we are obliged to care for everyone in the world equally, and with no regard to proximity, will be able to donate to their heart's content. Those who expect the RNLI to be using its donations to save lives in the UK, ROI, Isle of Man and Channel Islands will not be mislead or placed in a dilemma as to whether to donate.
    Hear hear, well said Poecheng!
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    Quote Originally Posted by awol View Post
    Reducing drowning deaths worldwide strikes me as laudable. Enabling women, who otherwise would not have the opportunity, to learn to swim by providing culturally acceptable swimwear also seems laudable. Unfortunately, the headlines that programme has generated in our press tend to prey on xenophobic tendencies and bring out similar responses from some forum contributors.
    Spot on. The newspaper article chose to use emotive terms instead of “swimwear”, just to provoke a reaction from a certain audience.
    As an RNLI member and donor I am happy that spending just 2% of income to reduce drowning deaths outside the U.K. is a good investment - and made very clear in their magazine and communications to members.

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    Quote Originally Posted by awol View Post
    Perhaps the people who knee-jerk on the basis of a newspaper headline are the same ones who believe slogans on buses, lies on immigration and promises of the easiest deal ever. Seajet, you should choose your acquaintances more carefully!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seajet View Post
    Let's see you anchor to avoid rocks around the Channel Islands then, with those tides and depths.

    I was with a novice chum once when the engine failed - it was light winds and we had to make a certain tidal entrance.

    He was all for calling a local marina for a towboat - NB NOT a Mayday to the CG - but I stopped him, ' we've got sails and an anchor '.

    That was in a soft mud harbour with small tides - in Alderney Race or The Swinge say, I'd think differently, not a Mayday unless actually going for rocks but worth asking for a tow.

    As I mentioned earlier this is where Seastart are handy, if in the area.
    If anchor doesn't stop drift in a calm, resort to fenders, or that sweep you have constructed using a spinnaker pole.

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