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    Default Re: Is this blue ensign legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Elecglitch View Post
    Is he from the Cook Islands? It looks remarkably like their Ensign, which has got posters hereabouts hammering at their keyboards before.
    Definitely not 15 stars.

    Richard

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    Default Re: Is this blue ensign legal?

    The Union Jack is smaller than a quarter, the stars appear to be yellow, and the number is at least an approximate match too, so it may well be the UK version of this one: https://www.svb24.com/en/flag-europe-germany.html

    Seen that one around Sicily and Greece on a few boats and have also been wondering about its legality. It certainly seems accepted, or at least in those countries the officials didn't care.

    We did fly a small EU flag on the port spreader as is appropriate, but sadly it tore off a corner. The red ensign is also badly faded and had to be cut down due to ripping at the borders.

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    Default Re: Is this blue ensign legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yngmar View Post
    The Union Jack is smaller than a quarter, the stars appear to be yellow, and the number is at least an approximate match too, so it may well be the UK version of this one: https://www.svb24.com/en/flag-europe-germany.html

    Seen that one around Sicily and Greece on a few boats and have also been wondering about its legality. It certainly seems accepted, or at least in those countries the officials didn't care.

    We did fly a small EU flag on the port spreader as is appropriate, but sadly it tore off a corner. The red ensign is also badly faded and had to be cut down due to ripping at the borders.
    Yes, that's the one .... except with the Union Flag rather than the German one in the corner.

    Richard

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    Default Re: Is this blue ensign legal?

    No. Not if she is British registered.

    "A UK flagged vessel must wear her ensign as required by the Merchant Shipping Act, which includes when entering or leaving a foreign port and on demand. It is recommended that the ensign is worn at all times in daylight, especially when near to or in sight of land or another vessel.* A UK registered vessel should wear the national maritime flag, the Red Ensign, unless entitled to wear a*special Ensign. Wearing anything other than an authorised Ensign is a violation of British and International Law."

    https://www.rya.org.uk/knowledge-adv...etiquette.aspx

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    Default Re: Is this blue ensign legal?

    Recreational sailors arent bound by the merchant shipping act and certainly not in Croatian waters. The RYA isnt the font of knowledge it thinks it is.
    A boat is for going places

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    Default Re: Is this blue ensign legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by oldmanofthehills View Post
    Recreational sailors arent bound by the merchant shipping act and certainly not in Croatian waters. The RYA isnt the font of knowledge it thinks it is.
    I think you are mistaken on all three counts.

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    Default Re: Is this blue ensign legal?

    The RYA advises on flag etiquet not law, and your way to do things may not match my way to do things.

    The UK authorities cant do anything about a leisure yacht flying an odd flag in Croatian waters even if they wanted too. The Croatians wont care as they know registration of boat as British so they have all they need. Indeed as Croatia is very fond of the EU as giving them great benefits if they did see it as political to have the EU stars, which they might not, they wouldnt object.

    As I indicated the Cornish Steamship Company used the St Pirans Cross instead of red background openly for years while plying their business and were never seriously challenged by the board of trade.
    A boat is for going places

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    Default Re: Is this blue ensign legal?

    From Merchant Shipping Act 1995:
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    A ship is a British ship if—

    (a)the ship is registered in the United Kingdom under Part II; or

    (b)the ship is, as a Government ship, registered in the United Kingdom in pursuance of an Order in Council under section 308; or

    (c)the ship is registered under the law of a relevant British possession; or

    (d)the ship is a small ship other than a fishing vessel and—

    (i)is not registered under Part II, but

    (ii)is wholly owned by qualified owners, and

    (iii)is not registered under the law of a country outside the United Kingdom."

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    Default Re: Is this blue ensign legal?

    Are the Cornish Steamship Company's vessels over 50 gross tons? Do they enter foreign ports?

    Merchant Shipping Act 1995 again. ( Seems to tally pretty well with what the RYA says.)

    "Duty to show British flag.

    (1)Subject to subsection (2) below, a British ship, other than a fishing vessel, shall hoist the red ensign or other proper national colours—

    (a)on a signal being made to the ship by one of Her Majesty’s ships (including any ship under the command of a commissioned naval officer); and

    (b)on entering or leaving any foreign port; and

    (c)in the case of ships of 50 or more tons gross tonnage, on entering or leaving any British port.

    (2)Subsection (1)(c) above does not apply to a small ship (as defined in section 1(2)) registered under Part II."

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    Default Re: Is this blue ensign legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by LittleSister View Post
    I think you are mistaken on all three counts.
    Normal service for him.

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