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  1. #21
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    Default Re: Is this blue ensign legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogershaw View Post
    The current Cook island flag 15 stars the EU has currently 27 until end of October.



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    I thought that the EU flag had 12 stars & the No. of stars had nothing to do with the current No of members. is that correct?
    If you are referring to members then the EU currently has ( & it has not been established will not continue to have) 28 members.
    Hope that does not lead to a thread drift
    Last edited by Daydream believer; 13-09-19 at 07:54.
    It is all down to the fact that my wife does not understand me !!

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    Default Re: Is this blue ensign legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daydream believer View Post
    I thought that the EU flag had 12 stars & the No. of stars had nothing to do with the current No of members. is that correct?
    If you are referring to members then the EU currently has ( & it has not been established will not continue to have) 28 members.
    Hope that does not lead to a thread drift
    Yes you ar correct my mistake.
    Life is too short not to have a sea view
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  3. #23
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    Default Re: Is this blue ensign legal?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_E...ed_blue_ensign

    Thi has some details of who are allowed to wear a defaced blue ensign.

    Yacht clubs with a Royal warrant can have a defaced blue ensign and as my club Royal Natal Yacht club has a Royal warrant it can use a defaced blue ensign which is defaced with the club crest.



    I also understand that if I registered my yacht in the UK I could get a warrant from my club to wear the clubs defaced blue ensign.

    South Africa government would not like it as as a resident my boat must be registered in South Africa.
    Life is too short not to have a sea view
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    Default Re: Is this blue ensign legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS View Post
    This boat has just anchored next to us in a small bay in Croatia. We like it here 'cos the graffiti makes us feel at home.



    But the real question is: Is a defaced blue ensign with a circle of EU stars in the middle actually legal tender?

    Should I dinghy over and perform a citizens arrest?

    Richard
    I believe that if you are a serving Naval officer you can have your man row you over and demand to see thier warrant. If that's not forthcoming, target practice 😎

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    Default Re: Is this blue ensign legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by DJE View Post
    From Merchant Shipping Act 1995:
    He has an interesting point, though. Does the UK have jurisdiction over British vessels (including unregistered ones) in Croatian waters? I expect Croatia does, but do they care and do they have expertise on the UKs bizarre variety of merchant ensigns?
    "Seamen are always wanting to do things the proper way; and I like to do them my way."

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    Default Re: Is this blue ensign legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by RobbieW View Post
    I believe that if you are a serving Naval officer you can have your man row you over and demand to see thier warrant. If that's not forthcoming, target practice ��
    Don't even have to be RN, Pongos and Crabs can also so do. Though the only occasion I have actually heard of it happening was to an RAF Vessel who where flying their (the RAF's) ensign of which their Lordships did not approve at some point between the wars.
    Last edited by Elecglitch; 13-09-19 at 11:47.

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    Default Re: Is this blue ensign legal?

    Did you not jump in the dingy with a bottle of something and go and say hello?

    I sometimes remember to put a bit of coloured cloth on the back of the boat, more usually I don't.
    Cynical Scottish very nearly retired engineer who sails a Gib'Sea 96.

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    Default Re: Is this blue ensign legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogershaw View Post
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_E...ed_blue_ensign

    Thi has some details of who are allowed to wear a defaced blue ensign.

    Yacht clubs with a Royal warrant can have a defaced blue ensign and as my club Royal Natal Yacht club has a Royal warrant it can use a defaced blue ensign which is defaced with the club crest.



    I also understand that if I registered my yacht in the UK I could get a warrant from my club to wear the clubs defaced blue ensign.

    South Africa government would not like it as as a resident my boat must be registered in South Africa.
    Only when the warrant holder is actually aboard.

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    Default Re: Is this blue ensign legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by scotty123 View Post
    Only when the warrant holder is actually aboard.
    In my case I would be the warrant holder and the boat would only be used when I am on board sailing
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    Default Re: Is this blue ensign legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by JumbleDuck View Post
    He has an interesting point, though. Does the UK have jurisdiction over British vessels (including unregistered ones) in Croatian waters? I expect Croatia does, but do they care and do they have expertise on the UKs bizarre variety of merchant ensigns?
    Well the wording of the act certainly seems to assume jurisdiction. I wonder if it is giving effect to international regulations.

    Enforcement of course is a different matter entirely!
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