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    Default For those that charter - boat age question

    Is there a charter market for older boats but in good condition.
    I知 looking at 45-50 foot catamarans.

    New I知 covered but they are pricey.

    Used I知 looking at two models: lagoon 500 in 5 cabin config and the Fountaine Pajot Helia 44 in Quattro config. The Lagoon is from 2007-09 range and the Helia from 2014-15.

    I壇 prefer the Lagoon because the layout is better, I think the finish is a bit better as it was their flagship at the time and there is more boat.

    My question is which would charter better? They are the same value to buy so I知 guessing the charter rate would be about the same. Might I find more charters for the Lagoon as it sleeps 10 + crew or would people be wary of a 12 year old + boat?

    I壇 upgrade things like nav, rib, water toys and add a hilow platform

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    Default Re: For those that charter - boat age question

    Quote Originally Posted by Whitelighter View Post
    Is there a charter market for older boats but in good condition.
    I’m looking at 45-50 foot catamarans.

    New I’m covered but they are pricey.

    Used I’m looking at two models: lagoon 500 in 5 cabin config and the Fountaine Pajot Helia 44 in Quattro config. The Lagoon is from 2007-09 range and the Helia from 2014-15.

    I’d prefer the Lagoon because the layout is better, I think the finish is a bit better as it was their flagship at the time and there is more boat.

    My question is which would charter better? They are the same value to buy so I’m guessing the charter rate would be about the same. Might I find more charters for the Lagoon as it sleeps 10 + crew or would people be wary of a 12 year old + boat?

    I’d upgrade things like nav, rib, water toys and add a hilow platform
    You need to look at the market where your gonna put it into charter..

    In some markets.. (I’m thinking western canada for instance...). There is a large number of surprisingly elderly yachts on the market...

    Most markets will support a range of ages, Ive certainly chartered modestly (ie 4 or 5 year old) yachts in the BVI... as well as brand new one...

    But the best choice is always going to come down to that regional market I think... and a good look at how older yachts are priced...

    So you need to look at the local market you want to place the boat into...

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    Default Re: For those that charter - boat age question

    Good point.

    Market will be med - Balearics or Croatia most likely. But possibly Sardinia/Italy.
    We have chartered both old and new in the past in Croatia.

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    Default Re: For those that charter - boat age question

    You will need a licence to charter your boat.

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    Default Re: For those that charter - boat age question

    Will you charter yourself or via an established company? Some companies may not take older boats.

    That said we are in the midst of purchasing a boat out of charter (privately owned but managed by the co for 12yrs) with a small family run charter in Croatia. Boat is 2005 and still has successful seasons but the charter co doesn't heavily market, or cut prices to rent out the boats last minute and instead trades on a reputation with repeat and word of mouth bookings for its impeccably maintained and upgraded boats regardless of age plus great and personal service and generally finds careful and respectful charterers.

    Certainly its customers seem to be happier with older boats when offset by equipment/maintenance/attitude

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    Default Re: For those that charter - boat age question

    Quote Originally Posted by KellysEye View Post
    You will need a licence to charter your boat.
    Do I?

    Omg I never knew? What else do I need? Should I have life jackets on board?

    Or perhaps I did and that wasn’t the question...

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    Default Re: For those that charter - boat age question

    Preferably I’d use a management company.
    Boat would be upgraded where required, but as a minimum:

    New high quality spring mattresses all round
    New ulholstery including loungers etc
    Lifting swim platform for tender/beach use
    Larger high power rib
    Collection of water toys: paddle boards, wake board, ringos/towables etc

    Tempted not worry too much about sail wardrobe as I gather most cat charters at this size are looking for lounging/toys rather than performance sailing (or at least that’s what I look for)
    Last edited by Whitelighter; 20-09-19 at 09:22.

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    Default Re: For those that charter - boat age question

    A Lagoon 500 is a BIG yacht and unless you are considering crewed charter is going to be a real handful for anyone who has not skippered something of that size (does it have bow thrusters). How many people do you know who have, ever, skippered a 50' cat, and Lagoons are the biggest of cats. The FP is much more manageable - but you would still need to be sure of the skills of the charter party.

    Sailing them is not the issue - docking is where the skill is needed.

    You are not going to get many of your optional beach toys and 2 tenders on the FP.

    Jonathan

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    Default Re: For those that charter - boat age question

    There are plenty of companies out that there that specialise in managing the charter of other people's boats. Why not talk to a couple in the sort of area you are looking at and see what they have to say?

    Also have a look around and see what is available to charter in the area. If no one is offering a boat like that then there probably isn't a market. At that size you are likely to be looking at crewed charters so you have to allow for that when selecting the layout - it is likely to take out one of your cabins

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    Default Re: For those that charter - boat age question

    Thanks both.

    Only 1 tender - just a decent size (3m) with the ability to tow skiers/toys.
    Yes 50ft is big - but not unmanageable I don’t think

    Looking around and Croatia seems to have a lot of big cats for charter as does Mallorca, though there are more 45-46 fat boats than there are 50ft but then I guess that’s to be expected due to the costs

    Both are available with fore peak crew cabins - one on the FP two on the lagoon

    In terms of layout and space for the budget the lagoon is preferable as it’s got more room for toys and can be more easily self sufficient with space for double gensets, high capacity AC etc etc
    Last edited by Whitelighter; 20-09-19 at 12:30.

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