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    Default Re: What is the future of motor boating?

    Biodiesel is the most likely future IMHO. It can be made viably now from plant oil or synthesised from carbon plant stock. Batteries are extremely unlikely to ever have sufficient energy density. Regardless of the MMGW issue, eventually the oil will run out or become so expensive that renewable alternatives are attractive and replace them. Hydrogen based fuels are not far behind.

    Don’t panic Corporal Jones. It’ll all be ok. Carry on as you were.

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    Default Re: What is the future of motor boating?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lon nan Gruagach View Post
    So, you really think that none, not a single one of the world's climate scientists havent thought of that? I dont just mean the 97% that agree that what we are experiencing now is man made and had never ever happened so fast before, not just them, but also the other 3% that deny its man made and have been proven wrong. You really think that NASA or any of the thousands of astronomers wouldnt be shouting about that?

    They arent ,and you know why? Because thats not the reason for this MMGW
    That is 97% of the 50% of the Scientists which published in these papers.
    Many of the scientists disagreeing with the so called man made climate change have their submission to the scientific papers removed but their name is still listed as a contributor.

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    Default Re: What is the future of motor boating?

    Quote Originally Posted by mikef View Post
    Maybe but its not a good look for any UK govt of any colour to be seen to be 'subsidising' owners of gas guzzling motor boats. In the end some politician is going to ask why an owner of a boat consuming fuel at 1mpg or whatever simply for pleasure should pay less for diesel than a hard pressed family trying to run a car to take the kids to school and get to work
    +1
    One fuel one price !
    Last edited by oldgit; 20-10-19 at 07:36.

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    Default Re: What is the future of motor boating?

    Quote Originally Posted by MartynG View Post
    Try thinking about the future when electric cars are in the majority ( even now it doesn't take long to spot one ). My new car is petrol and as of this year there is no longer a diesel version available.

    In the future diesel will become unavailable.
    Political fashion may be favouring petrol cars (at the moment), but look at all the commercial users of diesel - road haulage, busses, tractors, ships, etc etc etc. I think it will be a long long time before we see them switching to petrol or electric. I can't see supply of diesel disappearing anytime soon.
    Ari

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    Default Re: What is the future of motor boating?

    Quote Originally Posted by ari View Post
    Political fashion may be favouring petrol cars (at the moment), but look at all the commercial users of diesel - road haulage, busses, tractors, ships, etc etc etc. I think it will be a long long time before we see them switching to petrol or electric. I can't see supply of diesel disappearing anytime soon.
    Actually all land based transport and uses can viably switch to electric power. What can’t is ships and planes. They are the reasons for ongoing need for diesel and jet fuel, (which is essentially diesel). As I mentioned above there are renewable alternatives fuels here now and they are affordable now.

    It is right to mention politics, because as ever those idiots get it wrong. There has been for many decades a socialist hatred of the car. The car, which in my youth was mainly the transport of toffs and the self indulgent fortunate few has retained that old image somehow and retained the culture of socialist loathing and envy. It has therefore been taxed to buggery and inadequate roads built. We have huge subsidies for renewable electrical generation and of the electric car, yet we tax biodiesel and bioethanol and the vehicles that use them at the same rate as mineral fuels. I despair.

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    Default Re: What is the future of motor boating?

    Quote Originally Posted by ari View Post
    Political fashion may be favouring petrol cars (at the moment), but look at all the commercial users of diesel - road haulage, busses, tractors, ships, etc etc etc. I think it will be a long long time before we see them switching to petrol or electric. I can't see supply of diesel disappearing anytime soon.
    You only have to look a the UK rail network , they are still building Diesel powered trains, for a start this country doesn’t have the money to rebuild the rail infrastructure to convert it to electric, we don’t have the power stations to supply it .
    Look at plant equipment, diggers , tractors etc , there is no way these can be electric , how would they be charged up on a building site or a field , yes by a diesel generator!! .
    I know of 2 people that have electric cars , one is my neighbour across the road , he has already admitted it was a big waste of money as it’s range is pathetic, it’s also got a very short lifespan, once the batteries are worn out it’s scrap.
    The other is a Tesla, and I’ve yet to hear him boasting about it’s true range.

    I think diesel will be around for a long time.

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    Default Re: What is the future of motor boating?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...arging-it.html

    The daily fail reckons the answer is already here.

    The company involved is Austin.....which has the rights to the Austin logo. The allegro and metro where fine cars.....this is truly a new age

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    Default Re: What is the future of motor boating?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zing View Post
    Actually all land based transport and uses can viably switch to electric power. What can’t is ships and planes. They are the reasons for ongoing need for diesel and jet fuel, (which is essentially diesel). As I mentioned above there are renewable alternatives fuels here now and they are affordable now.

    It is right to mention politics, because as ever those idiots get it wrong. There has been for many decades a socialist hatred of the car. The car, which in my youth was mainly the transport of toffs and the self indulgent fortunate few has retained that old image somehow and retained the culture of socialist loathing and envy. It has therefore been taxed to buggery and inadequate roads built. We have huge subsidies for renewable electrical generation and of the electric car, yet we tax biodiesel and bioethanol and the vehicles that use them at the same rate as mineral fuels. I despair.
    But do you think they will? And when? And where will all the electricity come from?

    Not disagreeing with you, you may well be right, but I still suspect that demand for diesel will be strong for a very long time yet.
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    Default Re: What is the future of motor boating?

    Quote Originally Posted by ari View Post
    But do you think they will? And when? And where will all the electricity come from?

    Not disagreeing with you, you may well be right, but I still suspect that demand for diesel will be strong for a very long time yet.
    When?
    UK government zero net emissions by 2050
    Scottish parliament zero carbon by 2035

    Unless there is a stupendous increase in carbon capture diesel will only be for the very very few by then.

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    Default Re: What is the future of motor boating?

    Reckon they'll hit those targets?
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