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    Default Re: Wrapping vs Painting

    Quote Originally Posted by jfm View Post
    The above is total nonsense. Ferretti cream boats in that picture are normal bare gelcoat, not painted.
    I'm also pretty sure that Ferrettis were moulded with gelcoat at least up to the mid naughties, but my understanding of what PF said is that they changed somewhat recently.
    Since it's obviously impossible to tell from the pic, did you see one of their newer boats in flesh and noticed that it was not painted?
    Just curious.

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    Default Re: Wrapping vs Painting

    That's by the by. I'm just reporting facts, and I'm quite happy if anyone wishes to doubt/disbelieve/argue the opposite. I just didn't want an incorrect statement like that on here to be left uncorrected.

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    Default Re: Wrapping vs Painting

    I get that, and I'm far from saying the opposite.
    Just wondering what was the source of your facts, 'cause other than looking (carefully!) at the real thing, I can't think of another way to tell for sure.

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    Default Re: Wrapping vs Painting

    Quote Originally Posted by MapisM View Post
    I get that, and I'm far from saying the opposite.
    Just wondering what was the source of your facts, 'cause other than looking (carefully!) at the real thing, I can't think of another way to tell for sure.
    It’s what I was told in September this year at that show by a senior experienced guy .
    They take clients to the factory all the time .
    I did qualify the answer pointing at a beige boat and was told ALL inc those beige .
    I new Pershing have been painting and some Riva .
    I thought the Itama 62 I went out on was trad Blue gel coat ....why would I think not ?
    The 75 they exhibited was indeed beige ......painted as was the blue 62 very much to my surprise.
    It’s to do with spotting defects , air bubbles etc in the “infusion “ process .Sort of best practice in quality assurance hull structure wise .
    Once happy it’s painted .

    Minor stuff like fly bridge parts , cockpit seating , corner units may be gel coat , but the hulls are all painted inc the Ferretti beige as said it’s a reflection of the new across the range homologising of production and driving up quality.

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    Default Re: Wrapping vs Painting

    Quote Originally Posted by jrudge View Post
    The waterline stripe Is usually a wet applied transfer. Wrap is self adhesive. I donít know the technical differences between the two.

    However ... a strip is small and are waterline level well away from enemy number 1 which is ropes.

    As I said before for a stripe wrap maybe ok. For a whole hull based on expensive experience it isnít !

    Sailing boats have logo type wraps. I suspect there hide stains and colour variations better. Sailing boats are also a different shape that I would think gives better rope protection.

    They say it lasts 7 years. It really doesnít.

    The fairline f33 was wrapped. They unwrapped it after a few days as it was coming off and looked terrible.

    Another forum member wrapped his hard top. It has failed also which is well away from water and ropes - but of course gets a nice sun baking.

    It was designed for cars not boats!
    They are different, for a boat wrap type such as a waterline stripe is wet applied but these are manufacturer applied and use a solvent to wet them out and the adhesive sticks (once dried) to form a waterproof adhesive which will not come off when constantly submerged in water.

    Ordinary wrap is water based and they spray it with soapy water instead of solvent and once dried it is not designed to be immersed in water as the water softens the adhesive and it comes off, it is only designed for intermittent immersion such as rain on cars or lorries.
    I am old and wise because i was young and stupid.

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    Default Re: Wrapping vs Painting

    Quote Originally Posted by MapisM View Post
    I get that, and I'm far from saying the opposite.
    Just wondering what was the source of your facts, 'cause other than looking (carefully!) at the real thing, I can't think of another way to tell for sure.
    I had to re look carefully at the blue 62 , I mean at all the places where the paint would end ,and do a finger nail test .....but honestly I could not tell it was painted .The guy is a director btw and took some pleasure of me complimenting the final finish , it fooled me .
    The insides of the hull are sprayed white btw.
    He said if I was to buy one there would be plenty of opportunities to visit the factory and witness the painting and other stuff .
    I got the impression that s encouraged and many take then up on factory visits .....it’s normal .
    Again the 75 , they called it yellow but it was Ferretti beige .....I would have never known it did look like gel coat .

    Interesting to know which paint brand they use and how they apply it .
    Last edited by Portofino; 31-10-19 at 10:04.

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    You mean 62 and 75 itamas? I said the ferretti cream boats (you know, the flybridge boats like 920, 850, 670, 450, etc) are unpainted, not the itamas.
    Last edited by jfm; 01-11-19 at 01:02.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfm View Post
    You mean 62 and 75 itamas? I said the ferretti cream boats (you know, the flybridge boats like 920, 850, 670, 450, etc) are unpainted, not the itamas.
    I mean all of them in the FG range inc Ferretti . Furthermore you can’t tell to the eye ....
    To be clear inc the “ beige “ Ferretti in those .

    “Hull, deck and superstructure are laminated by infusion, a technological choice that allows the yard to guarantee more accurate manufacture and a finish with higher quality paintwork than the classic gel-coat, as well as lower weight, more structural robustness and greater composite longevity.”


    http://www.barchemagazine.com/en/ferretti-780-2/

    The conversation arose on two levels

    1- the quality feel and components like teak , door shuts , lack of vibration etc of the exhibited Itama both of them .....I was told the whole range inc the CRN and Custom line were quality assured the same way . Sort of top to bottom .
    2- Then the colours , conversations went along the lines of me mentioning I’d seen a yellow 62 and white 75 and now at this show a yellow 75 , ......to be told I could have one any colour as it’s sprayed on ......after the hulls been checked over after popping out the master plug .

    It goes naked through a QA process that can’t be done to same standard if it was gel coat .
    Then painted .
    “ Even the blue ones “ .....Yes
    “ All you can see “ as the director waved his arm around the Yacht club .
    “ Even the beige Ferretti s “ I enquired ....
    “ Yes ,everything here “ .
    To be fair as I said on another thread one or two Ferretti s there were paler then the others .Not as dark beige you could see that .
    Anyhow as said they have homologated the production technique and base engineering across the range . You did realise Custom line are all painted as well ? ,120 140 etc .

    If they ( Ferretti models ) weren’t painted they would be the only brand that uses trad gel coat colour .Cant be certain of exactly when they completed the transition moving everything to “ infusion “paint .
    I think we both agreed they been painting Pershing / Riva / for a over decade .
    Early gel coated Miochi fade badly in the Med sun .....they are painted now .
    Now Ferretti beige and Itama blue are paint .I could not tell .

    Barche is a good read btw
    Last edited by Portofino; 01-11-19 at 03:33.

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    Default Re: Wrapping vs Painting

    Quote Originally Posted by Portofino View Post
    “Hull, deck and superstructure are laminated by infusion, a technological choice that allows the yard to guarantee more accurate manufacture and a finish with higher quality paintwork than the classic gel-coat, as well as lower weight, more structural robustness and greater composite longevity.”
    I had a look also at the original IT version, because saying that painting is "allowed" by infusion is obviously total bollocks.
    The translation is correct, though. Leaving aside the fact that also a traditionally laminated hull could obviously be painted, also in the IT version the article is adamant that the 780 is painted, fwiw.

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    Default Re: Wrapping vs Painting

    On the subject of painting, am I correct in recalling that some people have had perfectly satisfactory results using a roller?

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