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  1. #31
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    Default Re: A tour of marinas in Spain - where do you suggest I go?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coustea1 View Post
    Just out of curiosity, which ones are you referring to?
    Wind dependant but if you are in the area try:

    South of Sotogrande, local name Horseshoe bay. Go past the pavilion style building another mile or two.

    Immediately north of Soto Marina off beach. Also further along past village to bay with chirangito. Sheltered from a lot of wind directions.

    Either side of La Duquesa in settled weather.

    Inshore from the entrance to Estepona but keep clear of swimming area.

    Have used all of those.

    A friend of mine wrote the Straits Sailing Handbook, sadly no longer updated. I used to do that annually and my wife did the book production but it died away after we left. If you can get a copy from around four years ago it may be useful.

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    Default Re: A tour of marinas in Spain - where do you suggest I go?

    Of course for the OP, the delightful thing about owning a boat is you can move on wherever after a season or two to experience all the places mentioned above!

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    Default Re: A tour of marinas in Spain - where do you suggest I go?

    The Balearics are held up as some of the best boaty places in the Med, but there are a lot of other fun boaty things / places to go in the med or further afield. We decided to down size boat a few years ago and do other things instead. Still have a very nice boat but don't feel obliged to use it all the time because of the costs. As a result we have probably done more boaty stuff since then but in different ways. However when we get back to mainland Spain there are still many beautiful days and lovely spots without paying Mallorca prices.
    Mar Menor last summer (bit too dark for the iphone camera)

    Mar Menor

    North side of Tarbaca quite a few years ago

    Moraira, early in the morning

    Near Altea (apologies saily boat stuff) - the scenery around there can be quite dramatic

    or with the massive savings created by mooring on the mainland, go abroad and rent a boat somewhere really pretty

    or for the sort of boat budget PEJ is spending, get on a plane and let someone else do the driving and cooking
    Sorry Hurricane, Ibiza is beautiful but the Maldives are better

    do you get these in the med?

    you definitely don't get to see these near Spain


    when you come back again makes you appreciate the local stuff more.
    Last edited by kashurst; 29-10-19 at 16:23.

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    Default Re: A tour of marinas in Spain - where do you suggest I go?

    Quote Originally Posted by longjohnsilver View Post
    I believe there are 3 different marinas in Denia, MikeF spent some time there so is better qualified to comment on pros and cons. There is a good selection of restaurants both around the port and in the town.
    We had a season in Marina de Denia a few years ago. It is a modern full service marina with plenty of shoreside facilities by way of bars and restaurants. Thats the good bit. The bad bit is that it sits on a bit of coastline which lacks any anchorages whatsoever to the north and whilst there are some nice anchorages to the south, none of them are fully sheltered from the prevailing easterly wind which often kicks up in the afternoon and causes some unpleasant sea conditions. In fact that bit of coastline seems to have its own micro climate which is windier and wetter than adjacent areas. On the plus side it is a convenient jumping off point for Ibiza and Formentera which are attractive cruising destinations. Denia itself is lively in high season but, like a lot of holiday towns, dead out of season.

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    Default Re: A tour of marinas in Spain - where do you suggest I go?

    Quote Originally Posted by kashurst View Post
    Almeria - small summer town - not much there. Deep bay with whales and dolphins in the area
    I doubt that very much, Almeria is the main city of Almeria province and is the capital of the province. Not exactly a small summer town.
    I know the region very well and to say that the city has nothing there is wrong. Not a city of my choice as there are other marinas up the coast that are better in my view but nevertheless there is a lot to see and do in the city.

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    Default Re: A tour of marinas in Spain - where do you suggest I go?

    Sorry, my mistake, I was thinking of Mazarron.

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    Default Re: A tour of marinas in Spain - where do you suggest I go?

    Quote Originally Posted by kashurst View Post
    Sorry Hurricane, Ibiza is beautiful but the Maldives are better
    Agreed - thats exactly where we have spent our savings - in fact the Maldives amongst others.

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    Default Re: A tour of marinas in Spain - where do you suggest I go?

    @ J rudge and any others with itchy feet .
    We’ve moved to Italy’s Ligurian coast , Marina d Loano to be precise but there are plenty of others .
    Ours was based on logistics of nearest base from Switzerland - shorter drive .

    Boat wise we have up and down that coast plenty of times and sure it’s less interesting than SoF .However Monaco is 2 hrs and Lerins ( Cannes islands 3 hrs ) so it’s not like we have been exiled etc .Plus a huge fresh cruising ground to our E and S = Elba etc .

    But the point is this ........a pleasant upside ....
    It’s cheap , refreshingly cheap .Large Beer €4.50 not €7/8 as Cote d Azur .
    Yard labour €40 / hr as opposed to 70/80 .
    My berth ( 14m ) is €6600 + tax so under €8 k all in no service charge just leccy on meter est €4/6 00 ? currently renting out by SoF for €17 K pa took a week to find a tenant .

    It’s a posh one by Liguria standards there are even cheaper .
    We choose it on location not price .
    Meals out can be peanuts like starters €5\7 and mains teens .
    Pizza Marguerite €6 etc etc .
    There’s some “ posh “ places like Alassiso nearby ,

    Genoa airport is 55 mins away with regulators flights into London and Nice 2 hrs away .

    Sea bottom is sand and the people are really warm + nice .

    It’s just if you are wanting to escape without the hassle of expensive SoF and availability commitments you could try the Liguria for a year and boat into the SoF for a sniff around.

    We bought 2 years they do discount if you buy more years . Our tenant s contract ends Sept 21
    So far I have not regretted it .Its different in a positive kinda way .

    Take stabs for example .....

    Obviously I follow the threads which mostly seem to be rolling @ anchor stuff on the tables going flying etc etc .,,,buts that’s just shear boat density / crowded areas / wakes etc .
    Fully understand and sympathise feel the pain etc etc in the Cote d Azur .

    How ever in the Liguria all that’s a none event , none starter because of the low density , there just isn’t the crowdedness to make unpleasant wakes to stimulate any sales in stabs .
    Last edited by Portofino; 29-10-19 at 17:18.

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    Default Re: A tour of marinas in Spain - where do you suggest I go?

    "Italy’s Ligurian coast , Marina d Loano" - that looks a very nice spot. Where do the prevailing winds come from?

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    Default Re: A tour of marinas in Spain - where do you suggest I go?

    With all the comments about savings by berthing on the mainland, I thought it would be interesting to put some actual figures together.

    So, lets assume a 20m boat - because I have one.
    And, lets consider keeping her in Sant Carles - because thats what I do.

    Firstly, I will show the costs of keeping a boat in Sant Carles and then make a guess at keeping one in Mallorca.
    I won't add anything for general maintenance (antifoul etc)

    Sant Carles
    Berthing cost - £3800
    For this comparison, I use 20m rental berth (we "own" ours so the calculation is different)
    Electricity costs included
    Water included
    this is an actual price that someone is paying
    Boatyard Fees
    Lift and Block off for 4 days £1000
    Open yard so you can do your own maintenance
    but local labour would be cheaper than on the islands
    Lift and scrub (say twice a year) £150
    Black tank pump outs (say 15) £300
    Car Parking (I park for free but rental berths pay) £200

    That totals to £5450 which might be a bit on the low side - the berth I was considering is a Med style berth so if you want a 20m floating (UK style) berth it would be a little more.
    Incidentally, I know of a 20m floating berth like mine for sale PM me if anyone is interested.
    So, lets round it up to £8000 p.a.
    Look, you guys on the islands - these prices are REAL

    I am guessing the prices in Mallorca would be somewhere between £30,000 and £60,000 for a 20m berth - if you could find one.
    And I'm sure that the boatyard fees would be much higher.

    So, with the savings, I can fill the boat with fuel several times a year and still have significant savings. And, remember, if you want to actually use your boat in Mallorca, you still have to put SOME fuel in it.
    I use about 2500 litres per trip to the islands (both crossings) - more if I'm going between islands or other anchorages.
    I do that 2 or 3 times a year so my fuel budget is £8000 to £10000 p.a.

    So, taking the point above, yes a winter holiday to the Maldives is very much paid for by the savings.

    One last little thought.
    That nice little anchorage on Formenterra in video clip above is called Es Calo.
    Lets look at distances
    Cala d'Or to Es Calo - 93 miles
    Sant Carles to Es Calo - 124 miles - 31 miles more
    But
    Denia to Es Calo - is only 70 miles

    I know that is a bit of a special example but just consider the financial savings.
    I'm sure I will get flamed for lots of this but I have always made the case that I keep a 20m boat in the Med for half the price that I used to keep a 15m boat on the river Hamble.
    Last edited by Hurricane; 29-10-19 at 17:27.

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