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    Default Runt Cocker Spaniel Puppy (for home and cruising)?

    So I'm keen to get a Cocker Spaniel puppy for both home and sailing, and went to see the remaining three pups of a litter today, where the seller owns the working-line mum and the show-line dad. The place was a mess, and the pups and their pen really stank. The mum looked slightly starved with ribs really showing and had a manky matted ear (and seemed desperate for me to give her some love!). Despite the guy saying he worked them, neither dog appeared to respond to any command of his or mine.

    Of the two dog puppies (I don't want a bitch), one looked fairly robust but the other was clearly the runt - much smaller and seemed depressed and disoriented. They're just over eight weeks old so ready to go, and he wants £700 each (good/pedigree Cockers are being advertised for £800 to £1,000 - which is ridiculous).

    My sensible side says to walk away, but I've got a notion to try and take the runt off him for less money, say £350. Not to get a bargain as such, but to nurture the poor little creature and hopefully bring him up to be a happy, healthy and emotionally-secure companion.

    Am I mad?
    Plan B...?

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    Default Re: Runt Cocker Spaniel Puppy (for home and cruising)?

    Id walk away and keep walking as far as the dog recue centre. Then get one from there.

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    Default Re: Runt Cocker Spaniel Puppy (for home and cruising)?

    Sounds to me you should report this to the RSPCA.

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    Default Re: Runt Cocker Spaniel Puppy (for home and cruising)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon View Post
    So I'm keen to get a Cocker Spaniel puppy for both home and sailing, and went to see the remaining three pups of a litter today, where the seller owns the working-line mum and the show-line dad. The place was a mess, and the pups and their pen really stank. The mum looked slightly starved with ribs really showing and had a manky matted ear (and seemed desperate for me to give her some love!). Despite the guy saying he worked them, neither dog appeared to respond to any command of his or mine.

    Of the two dog puppies (I don't want a bitch), one looked fairly robust but the other was clearly the runt - much smaller and seemed depressed and disoriented. They're just over eight weeks old so ready to go, and he wants £700 each (good/pedigree Cockers are being advertised for £800 to £1,000 - which is ridiculous).

    My sensible side says to walk away, but I've got a notion to try and take the runt off him for less money, say £350. Not to get a bargain as such, but to nurture the poor little creature and hopefully bring him up to be a happy, healthy and emotionally-secure companion.

    Am I mad?
    Sounds like a plan BUT get the RSPCA in after you have saved the runt. I understand they can be quite quick to “solve” problem dog issues?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggles Wader View Post
    Id walk away and keep walking as far as the dog recue centre. Then get one from there.

    Young relative went to a rescue centre, had to be visited by a jobsworth to check if they were suitable, rude jobsworth!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heckler View Post
    Young relative went to a rescue centre, had to be visited by a jobsworth to check if they were suitable, rude jobsworth!
    When I adopted in the UK the rescue sent a 'jobs worth' on a home visit to check fencing and suitability. She was a school mistress type with a clipboard. When she saw we were genuine her whole attitude changed to being like grandma. Most rescues are dedicated and care about where the animal is going and want to know it's safe and suitable - remember the animal has probably been through enough in its life and they just want to make sure that's not repeated. When we adopted here they just took what we wrote on the adoption form as being true - it was but they didn't know that based on anything other than trust. He is laid pressed into me as I type. He snores badly but I love that he feels safe enough to sleep that deeply.

    My ex's sister ( not the current estranged wife), breed dogs. Their place was just like what the OP is posting. I think they were springers too so would be interested by pm where this place is. I reported them to the RSPCA anonymously for the sake of family relations. Nothing changed in the next 2 odd years. I felt most sorry for the mutt that lived in their house and was treated as a toy by their demonic kids.


    We had a springer as kids and the same ex had a cocker - they're high sometime very high energy dogs so not sure how it'd work on a boat. Hers would charge around the house, lose control on the kitchen floor being varnished cork, slide into the cabinets and then repeat and repeat and repeat..

    Please rescue - even if it's this runt - don't support puppy breeders.

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    Default Re: Runt Cocker Spaniel Puppy (for home and cruising)?

    I would be very careful about buying a runt, ok so you are not going to use the dog for working, never the less a dog should be bold, keen and eager, if it is not, you could have a lot of problems in training, they can be encouraged with kindness, but one wrong harsh word if the dog has done wrong, could set you back to the beginning, it will not be easy, walk away!

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    Default Re: Runt Cocker Spaniel Puppy (for home and cruising)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Biggles Wader View Post
    Id walk away and keep walking as far as the dog recue centre. Then get one from there.
    +100
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    Default Re: Runt Cocker Spaniel Puppy (for home and cruising)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Biggles Wader View Post
    Id walk away and keep walking as far as the dog recue centre. Then get one from there.
    I've previously had a dog I raised from a puppy (an intact working-line Lab) and later had a rescue (a neutered Springer-Pointer cross) for six years. In this case I do want a puppy as I work mainly from home and have the time and inclination to go through the all the steps of puppyhood, adolescence and adulthood, including socialisation and early training for the countryside, town and boat.

    Quote Originally Posted by Heckler View Post
    Sounds like a plan BUT get the RSPCA in after you have saved the runt. I understand they can be quite quick to “solve” problem dog issues?
    The jury is still out on the runt (hence my original question), but thanks for the suggestion. I will call the RSPCA in the morning for their advice.
    Last edited by Babylon; 03-11-19 at 19:23.
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    Default Re: Runt Cocker Spaniel Puppy (for home and cruising)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Davy_S View Post
    I would be very careful about buying a runt, ok so you are not going to use the dog for working, never the less a dog should be bold, keen and eager, if it is not, you could have a lot of problems in training, they can be encouraged with kindness, but one wrong harsh word if the dog has done wrong, could set you back to the beginning, it will not be easy, walk away!
    Thanks - this is the answer I'm looking for. Placid but robust is fine, perennially nervous won't really work for me.

    Tomorrow I'm also going to see a Cocker breeder who runs shoots, with pups from working-line parents both of which he and his wife own. I won't work my dog, but I do lots of walking and would train it well for both our happinesses.
    Last edited by Babylon; 03-11-19 at 19:30.
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