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  1. #1
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    Default Red Diesel petition dead

    Just received the following email. With only 4109 Signatures it looks as if this was going nowhere anyway!

    Dear NoviceRod,

    You recently signed the petition:

    Allow private pleasure boat users to use red diesel at commercial rate of duty
    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/269295

    Because of the General Election, the closing date for the petition you signed has changed. All petitions now have to close at 00:01am on 6 November. This is because Parliament will be dissolved, which means all parliamentary business Ė including petitions Ė will come to an end until after the election. This means the petitions site will be closed and people will not be able to start or sign petitions.

    Weíre sorry we werenít able to give you more notice that this would happen.

    The petition will be available for people to read on the site even though it will be closed for signatures. This petition wonít be reopened after the election.

    The Government canít respond to petitions during the election period. This means if the petition has over 10,000 signatures, it canít receive a response from the current Government after 5 November. After the election, the new Government will have to decide whether it wants to respond to petitions from before the election.

    The current Petitions Committee, the group of MPs who decide whether petitions are debated, wonít exist after 6 November. This means that if the petition has over 100,000 signatures, it canít be scheduled for debate during this Parliament. After the election, there will be a new Petitions Committee, and they will be responsible for deciding which petitions are debated.

    The petitions site will open again after the election, but at the moment we donít know exactly when. You can follow us on Twitter @HoCPetitions for updates, or check back on the petitions site for news if you prefer.

    Ahead of the General Election on 12 December, make sure youíre registered to vote. You can check whether youíre eligible to vote and find out how to register at: https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote. The deadline to register to vote is Tuesday 26 November.

    Many thanks,
    The Petitions team
    UK Government and Parliament

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    Default Re: Red Diesel petition dead

    Most boat owners seem unconcerned and the general view is there is no justification for paying less than full road duty.

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    Default Re: Red Diesel petition dead

    I think it has more to do with the fact it was poorly worded and without an arguable justification but more importantly was the wrong forum to lodge an appeal when there was an existing one from HMRC

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    Default Re: Red Diesel petition dead

    Quote Originally Posted by MartynG View Post
    Most boat owners seem unconcerned and the general view is there is no justification for paying less than full road duty.
    It is not the cost, it is the availability. Just because 'most boat owners' are on the south coast where marinas are ten a penny, does not make it a practical option else where.
    Chris
    Out west.... (or in the office)

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    Default Re: Red Diesel petition dead

    Quote Originally Posted by ctva View Post
    It is not the cost, it is the availability. Just because 'most boat owners' are on the south coast where marinas are ten a penny, does not make it a practical option else where.
    That was my concern too. My nearest diesel is at Brixham, which is a fishing port, and MDL source their diesel from there. They will have to go elsewhere for white diesel.

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    Default Re: Red Diesel petition dead

    Quote Originally Posted by MartynG View Post
    Most boat owners seem unconcerned and the general view is there is no justification for paying less than full road duty.
    I'm not sure that we are "unconcerned" - more a case of "resigned". At least while we are in the EU, we were never going to win the battle - it is so clearly in contravention of the EU rules and there is no interest in the rest of the EU to change those rules for British sailors. If we do ever leave the EU, then there could be scope to continue with the supply of red diesel, but I doubt any government would put a decent trade deal at risk simply to allow us to carry on buying marked fuel!

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    Default Re: Red Diesel petition dead

    Quote Originally Posted by maby View Post
    . I doubt any government would put a decent trade deal at risk simply to allow us to carry on buying marked fuel!
    I agree.
    Nor can the judgement of the EU court be disregarded whether we are in the EU or not.

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    Default Re: Red Diesel petition dead

    Quote Originally Posted by NoviceRod View Post
    They will have to go elsewhere for white diesel.
    What's the difficulty with that?

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    Default Re: Red Diesel petition dead

    Quote Originally Posted by ctva View Post
    It is not the cost, it is the availability. Just because 'most boat owners' are on the south coast where marinas are ten a penny, does not make it a practical option else where.
    Some journeys may not be possible without needing to top up with red diesel at certain commercial ports or risk running out if fuel.
    If not leaving UK waters I dont see a problem with it. Full duty will obviously need to be paid.

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    Default Re: Red Diesel petition dead

    Interesting point about no justification for paying less than full road duty for diesel. To my mind there are two counter arguments - one is that that the level of tax paid on the forecourt is not justified and the second is that road duty is based upon consumption by road vehicles whereas boats are a different thing entirely. Both only debating points of course and the climate debate has added a whole new dimension.

    The real issue with losing red is availability - perhaps not a biggie on inland waterways because they are primarily populated by leisure boats with relatively low consumption but it is a different matter on the coast and particularly in areas north of the Solent. There may ultimately be a requirement for dual infrastructure to supply both red and white with costs of such being passed on to the consumer.

    Bottom line is that we may well end up paying more than the forecourt price.

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