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    Default Re: Irish Coast Guard suspend operations

    Quote Originally Posted by Anakron View Post
    The Irish Coast Guard has suspended all search and rescue boat operations with immediate effect because of concerns over the safety of volunteer's lifejackets.
    Apart from the fact that it's Ireland, is anyone else surprised that it should take 3 years to discuss (and not resolve) a safety issue with lifejackets?

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    Default Re: Irish Coast Guard suspend operations

    Quote Originally Posted by pvb View Post
    Apart from the fact that it's Ireland, is anyone else surprised that it should take 3 years to discuss (and not resolve) a safety issue with lifejackets?
    Well, they are civil servants, even in the UK they like to move carefully.

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    Default Re: Irish Coast Guard suspend operations

    Quote Originally Posted by Quandary View Post
    Well, they are civil servants, even in the UK they like to move carefully.
    Doesn't sound like they're serving their country very efficiently.

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    Default Re: Irish Coast Guard suspend operations

    Quote Originally Posted by pvb View Post
    Apart from the fact that it's Ireland, is anyone else surprised that it should take 3 years to discuss (and not resolve) a safety issue with lifejackets?
    Comes under the category " we've never had any complaints "
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    Default Re: Irish Coast Guard suspend operations

    Don’t know Ireland.
    Despite a recommendation from TSB. It took Transport Canada almost 4 years to approve any inflatable life jackets. The hold up was they couldn’t agree on the approved colour of orange.
    Eventually TC determined to use the same orange approved by USCG.

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    Default Re: Irish Coast Guard suspend operations

    Quote Originally Posted by Uricanejack View Post
    Don’t know Ireland.
    Despite a recommendation from TSB. It took Transport Canada almost 4 years to approve any inflatable life jackets. The hold up was they couldn’t agree on the approved colour of orange.
    Eventually TC determined to use the same orange approved by USCG.
    Sounds like ' The Hitchhikers' Guild To The Galaxy ' after all the useless types have been exiled to another planet but manage to invent the wheel - " Well if you're so clever, you explain what colour it should be ! "
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    Default Re: Irish Coast Guard suspend operations

    Quote Originally Posted by Seajet View Post
    Sounds like ' The Hitchhikers' Guild To The Galaxy ' after all the useless types have been exiled to another planet but manage to invent the wheel - " Well if you're so clever, you explain what colour it should be ! "
    Yes it does. I doubt there is much difference in government process. The approval process was frustratingly long. Often made no sense. Particularly since suitable equipment existed and was in regular use.
    Now the approved one are about 3 times the price of. Almost identical ones which are not approved.
    The trouble with things like safety equipment it has to be approved to be used. So finding other approved lifejackets in sufficient quantities might not be easy.
    I noticed the article also referred to complaints about helmets. We were not able to source a truly fit for purpose approved helmet for use in RIBs. We used non approved recreational white water rafting helmets. With a waiver from health and safety. We got new ones this year, I believe they are actually approved as hard hats.

    One thing I do agree with.
    You can’t send crew out with PPE which has been shown not to work. Though it’s not clear in the articles why. The article implies, the manual inflation toggle is a problem.
    We use auto inflate. Mustang, not aware of any issues. Which doesn’t mean there aren’t any.
    Last edited by Uricanejack; 20-11-19 at 05:58.

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    Default Re: Irish Coast Guard suspend operations

    You can’t send crew out with PPE which has been shown not to work.
    Yes, you can, no equipment is perfect.

    All .. no I really do mean that ALL equipment has a failure rate. Every. Single. Item of PPE will have a defect rate that causes it to malfunction. It could be that the rate of malfunction of this particular jacket is greater than can be accepted, but it will of course not be zero, it never is.

    You have to remember the aim here is to reduce the overall number of deaths ... if by staying ashore 1 rescuer is saved from a watery grave ... but 2 sailors drown who would otherwise have been saved, the decision was incorrect, as you now have 2 deaths not one.

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    Default Re: Irish Coast Guard suspend operations

    Quote Originally Posted by Uricanejack View Post

    One thing I do agree with.
    You can’t send crew out with PPE which has been shown not to work. .....
    But we will stand and watch someone die ...
    The lifeboat crews PPE only needs to work if the lifeboat also gets into trouble. But the casualty who is on a sinking boat is in trouble and needs saving.
    Life is too short to drink bad wine.

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    Default Re: Irish Coast Guard suspend operations

    Quote Originally Posted by Tomahawk View Post
    The lifeboat crews PPE only needs to work if the lifeboat also gets into trouble..
    That should read “The lifeboat crew PPE only needs to work if a crew member gets into trouble”. It is not at all necessary for the whole boat and crew to be in trouble for an individual crew member to need his or her PPE: indeed, it is much more likely that a single person will encounter circumstance needing PPE than a whole crew. Therefore it is foolish say to the least to proceed to sea without adequate PPE. And that applies whether it’s a SAR crew or an individual sailor.

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