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  1. #31
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    Default Re: Commercial Use of Red Diesel - an absurdity

    I don't think I agree with your point that should derrogation go we HAVE to had road diesel pricing. We are already paying about twice the minimum EU price that we are supposed to be derrogated out of.

    You are mixing up the fact of derrogation which says we have an opt out from the minimum price set for the whole of the EU to prevent one goverment subsidising its transport costs against the rest of the EU and what Mr Gordon Brown actually charges in terms of Duty and VAT on Red Diesle today.

    It is entirely possible (granted not certain) that we don't have derrogation but the price doesn't change. It could even go down if HM Government decided that that what it wanted to do (unlikely I know but possible).
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  2. #32
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    Default Re: Commercial Use of Red Diesel - an absurdity

    I agree that we would not HAVE to have road pricing .... I was exploring the way this government is acting by leaving its decision on the question of to apply for postponement or not so late ..... if everything was left without action it would mean road prices plus marina surcharge.

    Of course the could decide to act and do anything they like - just as you say ---- its just that doing nothing would leave us with a road price plus.
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  3. #33
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    Default Re: Commercial Use of Red Diesel - an absurdity

    Is current marine "red" the same as agricultural "red"?

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    Default Re: Commercial Use of Red Diesel - an absurdity

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    Is current marine "red" the same as agricultural "red"?

    Tony S

    [/ QUOTE ]

    YES

  5. #35
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    Default Re: Commercial Use of Red Diesel - an absurdity

    When using petrol for commercial use the system exists to claim back a certain amount of the tax?
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    Default Re: Commercial Use of Red Diesel - an absurdity

    yes fishing boats, charter boats etc can claim back tax as well as VAT.
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    Default Re: Commercial Use of Red Diesel - an absurdity

    Or run on heating oil?
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  8. #38
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    Default Re: Commercial Use of Red Diesel - an absurdity

    In your example, you'd do as you should do - rent the boat from the owning company and pay the going rate. Yep, you get the money eventually but it's quite normal for shareholders of other things to pay in the normal way (hotels shops etc) even though they own shares, even all the shares.

    Sepretly, £7k a day is a bit hopeful.

  9. #39
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    Default Re: Commercial Use of Red Diesel - an absurdity

    In France only fishing boats (and farmers) can use low-tax diesel. Leisure users use the same stuff and pay the same price as road users.

    They come round and check what fuel is being "used" ie is in the tank and god help you if you've got red in a leisure craft.
    Same applies here in road vehicles. The fuel checking units from HM Revenue and Customs take a sample and if you have red in your road vehicle you get a very large fine and can get the vehicle impounded (and sold at auction).

    For vehicle read vessel and that's the way it'll work.
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  10. #40
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    Default Re: Commercial Use of Red Diesel - an absurdity

    But it will not work that way for commercial charter craft - it cannot work that way for almost every diesel boat for many years because they will all have traces of red in them for many years .... what happens in France when you arrive with red in form a UK port?
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