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    Default Re: Rallying call .....

    My little 1966 22-footer keeps me sane, even when she is on the hard and demands attention - as now. Virtually everything is second-hand, even engine, prop and propshaft (all from different sources!). Just 1 meter draft so in the ditch crawling category, but long keel (and 2 tons) so capable of coping with a good romp in a force 7 as I found out this summer! I think you are right in suggesting that some small boat issues are somewhat different to those concerning 40 footers. I for one dream of a nice 28 footer (Twister perhaps?) - plenty big enough for me and more than capable of doing all I wish to do, and still under 30'.

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    Default Re: Keep \'em coming .....

    My boat is less than 30ft, but I am not sure it really qualifies under your other specs [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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    Default Re: Rallying call .....

    27ft, 35 years old, lives on a mooring in the river and has no radar, plotter, DSC radio or fridge. Surely I qualify? But why not a forum for all the above plus "Not re-engined with modern diesel"? But if you split off all us smaller-and-more-ancient-boat types, who of course know everything, from the rest, how will the AWB lot ever learn anything?

    Joking aside, the great strength of these forums is that wisdom is no respecter of any false boundaries. Seems to me that many of the AWB/bigger-boat lot started out with smaller-and-more-ancient-boats. That's why some of them know so much about diesels/wiring/osmosis etc!

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    Default Nice to see and I agree

    It is nice to see that the post hasn't been dragged down with smart replies and has toed the line .... no dis-respect to many ... but I am pleased with responses ...

    It shows that we all care about our boats ... albeit humble.

    I do not advocate complete split - that would be daft and actually counter-productive. But what could be handy is a forum listing open to all to read within the IPC framework ... that way we still gain for both sides of the boat world - the smaller type as targeted here and also the larger / more modern not so targeted - if you get my drift !! The danger being though that the forum my develop into just another extension of the general debate.

    I am a great believer in the "melting pot" style - where all contribute ... but what appears to happen is often the post or thread drifts away from the original matter ... so would a post about rigging a 22ft Pandora or re-propping my 25ft Sunrider go the route of many posts ?? Not actual posts but just examples of the top of my head ....

    There are cliques and groups on the forums that enjoy their banter and comradeship - but does leave others outside ... that will always happen whether its on-line or live .... what I am looking at here is possibly an internal group to generate and look after small-boat interests .... what is so wrong with that ? We have debates about Bav's keels, ben's and legends lack of back-stays etc. etc. What about lifting keel cables on Seamasters, replacement stemhead fittings for Mirage / Snapdragons etc. etc. All good points waiting for someone to post ...

    So there will be replies saying - who's stopping the post about the above and other matters regarding small boats ... nothing in truth. But there is also a perception and feeling about the drift of the forums, mags and general that it all hinges round the 30ft+ brigade .... actually I would suggest bigger ... at 34ft+ ....

    I accept that no-one posts ill to the smaller boat owner who posts on the forums and woe betide anyone who does ...

    Just maybe some people want to talk about their ditch-crawler a bit more than where to rig a radar dome or col-regs in the channel etc. etc. AND I would venture this - that most small boat people don't seem to post so much about Race vs ColRegs problems etc.

    Interesting thought that ...... Yeh - the more I think about - the more I am sure that small boat people spend more time talking about boating and enjoying it more than other topics - which at times doesn't seem to be the case of bigger brothers !! IMHO only ....

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    Default Re: Rallying call .....

    [ QUOTE ]
    Joking aside, the great strength of these forums is that wisdom is no respecter of any false boundaries. Seems to me that many of the AWB/bigger-boat lot started out with smaller-and-more-ancient-boats. That's why some of them know so much about diesels/wiring/osmosis etc!


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    Exactly so and contrary it seems to the modern day trend of buying a 33 footer plus as a starter boat! Look at my bio and you will see a succession of small and old boats. Funny thing is back when I started 26ft was considered BIG, indeed my then club had a 26ft limit on size for club moorings. There is a huge difference too between say 25ft and 30ft and personally I would say the latter is closer to the bigger boat in it's activities and weather capabilities than it is to the smaller. At 30ft (less for some notables) the boat is probably capable of pretty well everything cruising wise even if the owner isn't.

    I do take Nigels point about small boat v big boat viewpoints which is why I and others often ask for more info in the bio because some questions and/or answers are size specific. However I think too much forum specialisation could be to risk losing expertise if everyone is only looking in one compartment.

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    Default Re: Nice to see but I disagree.......

    I don't think you would be doing anyone any favours with this approach for the following reasons:
    1. the size of the boat doesn't have that much relevance to it's use, or even the nature of it's problems.
    2. not everyone on these forums either already owns a boat or knows what they want or want to do with one if they get it.
    3. Even the current split is an illustration of these issues. PBO (forum more than mag readership!) used to be extensively used as the meeting point for all types of craft maintenance, problems etc but with the developement of the lounge sailing boat queries have drifted back into Scuttlebutt and the Mobo stuff to Mobochat which results in many parallel threads and is generally inefficient.
    (4) however it is entirely possible that you could establish a forum around function - for example 'creek crawling' or 'bilge keeling'? This stands a better chance of establishing an environment for those with similar interests surely?

    Alternatively a new burgee - 'I have a small one'........... [img]/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

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    Default Isn\'t it a bit like cars ??

    The old Ford Fiesta, Vauxhall Astra etc. etc. Now they are bigger than their original next step up models .... The previous starter car is now bigger than the mid range job was.

    Anyway ... the lounge has provided one good thing - cut out a lot of the non-boaty cliquey stuff from the mainstream listings.

    I am not advocating a complete split - far from it ... I am actually rallying the small boat owners to a call ... and if a forum should develop under IPC for this then what is the problem ... we already have a Classic Boat and Liveaboard forum .. so why not small boats ... ?? No-one is going to deny access etc. It will just focus a little more on the type of boat ...

    I think it will also help the ones trying to get started into boating ... how many times do we see the post that advocates trial out on small boats ... but then big boots wades in with an AWB suggestion ... OK OK ... not so often ... but it is daunting.

    I may be wrong ... but IMHO the forums are significantly AWB 34ft+ and that shadows so much else that they do ... they are an immense valuable tool ... so lets use it more efficiently ... it's not IPC fault that Lounge etc. went the way it did ... (actually I prefer it like it is - then I can ignore so much more dross - without wading through posts etc.)

    Focused forum may be the answer ... ?? It's a thought not an order or request ... It's a debate topic .... so no need for upset on my part or others ...

    Why not ??

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    Default Re: Nice to see and I agree

    I've got a 23 foot Virgo Voyager. Full standing headroom below, gally, heads, 5 berths and in board diesel. It's quite capable of going across Channel, and many have. But it's easily handled by me alone.

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    Default Re: Rallying call .....

    25 year old Shrimper, outboard, no electrics, handheld GPS, handheld compass, handheld vhf, transistor radio, big bag of batteries, multi fuel cooker, oil lamp. Advantage of mainly dinghy bits when stuff breaks. Many many nights in peaceful anchorages, complete with SWMBO, boy and dog. Absolute bliss.

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    Default Re: Rallying call .....

    I would be sorry to see this split. I reckon its not the boat, but the person that makes it a long distance cruiser. Folkboats, SCODs, Contessa 26 and even Twisters (provided you dont want to go to Cherbourg) are in some cases more capable boats than 30+ AWBs.
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