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Turkish 'Blue Card' Regulations
I've put this on the 'Med Logs' Thread - I hadn't scrolled as far down as this one. We're currently based in Yacht Marine at Marmaris and the latest info I've gleaned is:
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Originally Posted by pshipley
It would be a shame to ignore Turkey complete, remember this only applies in the Gocek Gulf.
No; I believe it's the whole of Mugla Province, which is from Bodrum all the way around to the Gulf of Fethiye/Gocek.
On a more positive note, it's my understasnding that whilst we might have to buy a 'Blue Card' during next season (about £30 - one off, not annually) the strict policing of these regulations is likely to take a while longer to be introduced. Two reasons for this: the Turkish Coastgaurd, who'll be policing it are not 'in the loop' as yet and secondly, with an estimated 8000+ applicable vessels in the region and only about twenty-odd pump out stations, given an average period of 3 days between pump-outs, each station would need to service 100+ vessels a day and that's impractical.
A final note, it is also my understanding that whilst grey water on 'small' vessels will need to be deposited in the black water tank, there is not a requirement for a seperate grey tank to be installed.
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I've put this on the 'Med Logs' Thread - I hadn't scrolled as far down as this one. We're currently based in Yacht Marine at Marmaris and the latest info I've gleaned is:
Quote:
Originally Posted by pshipley
It would be a shame to ignore Turkey complete, remember this only applies in the Gocek Gulf.
No; I believe it's the whole of Mugla Province, which is from Bodrum all the way around to the Gulf of Fethiye/Gocek.
On a more positive note, it's my understasnding that whilst we might have to buy a 'Blue Card' during next season (about £30 - one off, not annually) the strict policing of these regulations is likely to take a while longer to be introduced. Two reasons for this: the Turkish Coastgaurd, who'll be policing it are not 'in the loop' as yet and secondly, with an estimated 8000+ applicable vessels in the region and only about twenty-odd pump out stations, given an average period of 3 days between pump-outs, each station would need to service 100+ vessels a day and that's impractical.
A final note, it is also my understanding that whilst grey water on 'small' vessels will need to be deposited in the black water tank, there is not a requirement for a seperate grey tank to be installed.
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How on earth can grey water be pumped into the black water tank and even if you had the facilities (space/piping/pump) to do it the holding tank would be full very very quickly indeed. So sorry but with all these reg's coming into force we shall avoid Turkey like the plague. However we shall keep watching to see.
A final note, it is also my understanding that whilst grey water on 'small' vessels will need to be deposited in the black water tank, there is not a requirement for a seperate grey tank to be installed.
Logically, you need the same size grey tank as your fresh water tank. The grey water tank on my motorhome is about 1.5 times the water capacity. The new black water tank on my boat will be 47 litres. My water capacity is about 250 litres. It would be absolutely impossible for me to fit a grey water tank of this size.
I've put this on the 'Med Logs' Thread - I hadn't scrolled as far down as this one. We're currently based in Yacht Marine at Marmaris and the latest info I've gleaned is:
Quote:
Originally Posted by pshipley
It would be a shame to ignore Turkey complete, remember this only applies in the Gocek Gulf.
No; I believe it's the whole of Mugla Province, which is from Bodrum all the way around to the Gulf of Fethiye/Gocek.
On a more positive note, it's my understasnding that whilst we might have to buy a 'Blue Card' during next season (about £30 - one off, not annually) the strict policing of these regulations is likely to take a while longer to be introduced. Two reasons for this: the Turkish Coastgaurd, who'll be policing it are not 'in the loop' as yet and secondly, with an estimated 8000+ applicable vessels in the region and only about twenty-odd pump out stations, given an average period of 3 days between pump-outs, each station would need to service 100+ vessels a day and that's impractical.
A final note, it is also my understanding that whilst grey water on 'small' vessels will need to be deposited in the black water tank, there is not a requirement for a seperate grey tank to be installed.
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Costs of pumping out will also have to be paid for, any idea how much? The queues would be intollerable even if they had many mor facilities, as there would be peak times for pump out - ie Morning.
So if you have to move every 3 days to a pump out station, what is to stop you going out to sea as we would do now, and dump a couple of miles out, or is that regulated now as well.
If it comes into real force, I would see keeping a boat there would be intolerable.
TO BOB N LESLEY Where are you getting your info from as it would appear not to be factual at all. We all as live aboards/cruisers rely to some extent on web sites like this one for FACTUAL INPUT.
First that I have heard of it too, our marina has a big notice printed out in the office regarding the Black water regs, but nothing about these Grey water regs.
Was in Turkey just three weeks ago sailing (Yalikavak, Bodrum Peninsula, Mugla) We were not informed about any new directives. As it was pay out time, marina fees, lift and launch, antifoul etc and I had my wallet out, I am sure that they would have asked for the extra £30 for the Blue card at the same time.
Not saying it is not true, just saying not been told about it, and the marrina office in the past appeard to be clued up.
Will have to wait and see.
Practically for most it will be a real problem, I have a way of working around it as I have two water tanks (2x150L), one up front and one right at the rear under the bed, could re-pipe the aft tank as the Grey water one if needs be, would need an extra pump for the galley sink though.
However do not intend to think any more about it until I hear that this directive is actualy in force.
After all plenty of water of all colours from villages and beach bars freely flowing into the oggin all around the coast, will these also have holding tanks and suction trucks pumping them out every day.
TO BOB N LESLEY Where are you getting your info from as it would appear not to be factual at all. We all as live aboards/cruisers rely to some extent on web sites like this one for FACTUAL INPUT.
Peter
Why do you have the opinion that Bob n Lesley's input 'appears not to be factual'? Do you know that for a fact?
Unfortunately the information is factual. Apparently the legislation has been in place for a few years and applies to the whole of Turkey but not enforced (probably because a method had not been established and was not enforceable). The current move to enforce is beween Bodrum and Fethiye (as has been said).
We had a talk from our local customs agent at Marmaris Yacht Marina who, together with the marina manager/owner had a meeting with someone from the relevant government body to try to get more information for us (we were told what that body was but I'm sorry I can't remember the name). We have been given a copy of the legislation and I see that a poster has quoted it in an earlier post.
As a previous poster has pointed out the legislation will be impractical to enforce in a literal sense for some time. There might be spot checks but the feeling is that you'd better not get caught dumping your grey water now in any case, esp in the Gocek/Fethiye Bay which apparently has a big seawater pollution problem. The pollution goes beyond the issue of one houseboat.
We were told that the law will be policed by the coastguard (and not, for example, harbour masters) but that the coastguard will not be boarding boats for inspection to see if grey tanks have been installed. I am sure it will all depend on the inclination and mood of individual coastguard personnel and perhaps on how keen the local authorities are in generating income.
We will probably skip that bay next year until we hear what is happening in practice. It has been said though that a cruising boat has already been stopped in that bay and fined for not having a blue card (they are already available), but that could be just anecdotal arising from natural fear.
So, clear as mud!
Cheers,
Bob
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every time I consider moving to Turkey I read something like this thread and stay in Greece.
I can't imagine any sub 4o footer having space to fit a grey water tank without rebuilding the damn boat.certainly no way in my 38 ft mobo.
In my replys/questions no offence is ever intended. My comment re Bob n Lesley was because they constantly stated ''we/i beleive and no other staement was in evidence to back up what they were implying. A law is a law,
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