Hi,
I was wondering what the opinion was on over loading a yacht and where the weight is placed?
I have a macwester rowan 22ft which is a heavily built long keeler and weighs about 2.5 tonnes. I have fitted a 120L (120 KG) flexible triangular water tank in the bowes as the only place it could go with out making her list. I currently have 10 meters of 8mm chain and 50 meters of 12mm Nylon anchor warp. I'm planing or up grading to 30 meters of 8mm chain (43 kg) + warp. I don't want to take any risks as do a fare amount of offshore sailing.
Do you think?
1) I'm already overload
2) I would be if I added the extra chain or I will be ok.
Hi,
I was wondering what the opinion was on over loading a yacht and where the weight is placed?
I have a macwester rowan 22ft which is a heavily built long keeler and weighs about 2.5 tonnes. I have fitted a 120L (120 KG) flexible triangular water tank in the bowes as the only place it could go with out making her list. I currently have 10 meters of 8mm chain and 50 meters of 12mm Nylon anchor warp. I'm planing or up grading to 30 meters of 8mm chain (43 kg) + warp. I don't want to take any risks as do a fare amount of offshore sailing.
Do you think?
1) I'm already overload
2) I would be if I added the extra chain or I will be ok.
thanks
alex
1/ yes especially up in the Bows - 6 m/m chain more than adequate for 22 ft
2/ remove 8 m/m chain add as much 6 m/m as you can stow without upsetting trim ( try getting it further Aft by the main bulkhead ) + the 50m of warp you already have.
tbh - if you're offshore sailing then you won't need the chain in the bow - iirc there is a vast area under the cockpit and starboard side that is wasted - if you can use that for stowage then you'll balance up some of the chain.
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You need to keep both ends light to the best performance and safety.
We used to have a few sails stowed up frond but the under 'A' berth lockers were kept empty. The anchor had about 5 m of chain and warp, stowed midship when racing. All water on board was stowed in 25 litre containers with space for one under the galley sink that had a lid that screwed to all drums and let to the sink pump, the others were stowed close to midships in the under bunk storage.
If you must have the bag up front, consider only part filling if going away for more than a few days and storing water midships in containers and use the water from up front first.
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I think you will find that overloading is really a question of degrees and that the boat will be OK however as already said weight should not be in the ends of the boat as this will promote hobby horsing. (pitching rhythmically).
It is always a good idea to have multiple water containers. If one goes bad you have alternative and if a source is a bit doubtful you can just fill one container and use for washing etc. Flexibility is good.
I would be inclined to say don't fit the extra chain or if you do stow it under the floor midships for use only in dire anchoring situations.
You should check the trim fore and aft once everything is decided. You need to don so with people in the cockpit as if you were sailing. (or in the cabin if you have autopilot)
A heavy bow will tend to take more water over the bow but will cut through a small wave nicely without slamming. good luck olewill
Overloading is not the issue - and as has already been said, why put such heavy chain in? You will never need it,, and when it matters (i.e. after a windshift in that nice quiet anchorage has put you on a lee shore in a rising wind), the considerable extra weight might just tip the balance and make it impossible to lift it back aboard quickly.
You need to be far more concerned about fore and aft trim. I do not know how sensitive to trim the Rowan is, but all that weight up forward may well seriously affect her sailing characteristics, as well as the way she behaves in a rough sea. Excessive forward weight firstly causes the boat to pitch much more - making life that much more uncomfortable and dodgy for the crew. Secondly you may find she gripes, needs more weather helm, and may be have difficulty going about. She may not lift to the seas so well, and take a lot more water over the bows, slowing her down. Boats vary, and in some excessive forward trim doesnt make a lot of difference, while others become almost unmanageable. Whichever, the result of so much weight will vary from negligible, unless racing, to being virtually impossible to handle.
And 'offshore'? Do you actually mean several hundred miles out, or shorter channel hopping and coastal passage making? If the latter then you need to have your ground tackle ready for immediate use - not stowed down aft where you cannot get it in an emergency!
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120kg of water is about the equivalent of having a fat lad sat on the foredeck. The extra chain, about the same weight as a slim lass. Would that ruin the boat and handling? Doubt it.
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120kg of water is about the equivalent of having a fat lad sat on the foredeck. The extra chain, about the same weight as a slim lass. Would that ruin the boat and handling? Doubt it.
120kg of water is about the equivalent of having a fat lad sat on the foredeck. The extra chain, about the same weight as a slim lass. Would that ruin the boat and handling? Doubt it.
Didnt say it would - I said it might affect it. I have had 22 footers that really didnt give a monkeys for trim - just blew along anyway. I have also come across larger boats where that much weight forward made a quite perceptible difference to the handling. Personally I would reckon a 22 footer with an 18 foot or thereabouts waterline would not do so well with a 'large lady' mounted up forrard. And - like the lady - some will, some wont!
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Thank you everyone for your advice. when I say offshore i mean trips across from the wash to the Netherlands 150 nm or so not trans Atlantic. most of my sailing is in the wash and not always in flat seas so need to worry about handling there too.
I would not want to move my anchor but I'm going to consider changing to 6mm I do a lot of anchoring in 2-3 knot tides so thought the bigger the better and she came with 8mm fitted already.
as suggested I think i will only half fill the tank and use separate containers for spare water. I will try to stow them under berths in the main cabin
I just wanted confirming my own doubts about me overloading / misplacing weight. which looks like i was right to be concerned.
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