Go Back   Yachting and Boating World Forums > Practical Boat Owner's Reader to Reader

Practical Boat Owner's Reader to Reader Share practical, hands-on information, hosted by Practical Boat Owner magazine.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 06-11-09, 12:42
ghostlymoron ghostlymoron is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 339
Default Voltmeter

I'm thinking of fitting a Smiths auto voltmeter to Anemone to give me an indication of battery state probably with a selector switch so that I can see either battery bank. These can be picked up off ebay for around a tenner against a ton for a battery monitor. Is there any reason why not - except accuracy?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 06-11-09, 13:00
vyv_cox's Avatar
vyv_cox vyv_cox is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: North Wales, sailing in Mediterranean
Posts: 5,556
Default

Are these analogue devices? I had one years ago and found it consumed a surprising amount of current. I put a switch into the circuit so it was only on when wanted.

I bought a voltmeter/ammeter from http://www.dpmeters.co.uk/index.html I think it cost about £30 and performs extremely well. I rarely bother to monitor volts as amps tells me so much more. Seeing conditions on each battery bank ios simply a matter of changing via the 1-2-both-off switch.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 06-11-09, 13:05
Billjratt's Avatar
Billjratt Billjratt is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Prestwick
Posts: 1,405
Default

It's just a voltmeter, so it will give a rough indication of which part of the charging process is active when the engine is running, and then show the decay as you use it all up.
If you're really interested in batt voltage, maybe consider a little digital one from Maplin (other suppliers are available....) and switch put neatly in the fuse panel, rather than cutting a 50mm hole in the dashboard and then regretting it. - cheaper as well.
__________________
Yours, etc.

Last edited by Billjratt; 06-11-09 at 13:06. Reason: spelling
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 06-11-09, 13:15
LadyInBed's Avatar
LadyInBed LadyInBed is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Zumerzet
Posts: 4,567
Default LCD Voltmeter

You could use one of these from rs-online RS Stock No. 365-6252 (plus on/off switch) either tapped into the 1-both-2 switch or with a change over switch to select which battery to monitor.

__________________
Beating is sailing for 2x the distance at 1/2 the speed & 3x the discomfort

Last edited by LadyInBed; 06-11-09 at 13:24. Reason: better item
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 06-11-09, 13:18
VicS's Avatar
VicS VicS is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Home: Kent. Boat: Chichester
Posts: 12,212
Default

A digital meter will give a more precise reading but many do not operate off the power supply they are monitoring so check on that if you go digital.

If you stay with an analogue meter then get one that is intended as a battery condition meter with an expanded scale to give a more precise reading. Scaled 8 to 16 volts or similar.

For accuracy avoid the real cheap stuff.

See http://www.marineelectrics.co.uk/pages/instruments.htm for some ideas.
__________________
Old Chemists never die. They just fail to react
SeaWych OA http://www.seawych.org/
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 06-11-09, 15:49
crossbones crossbones is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 71
Default Battery voltage.

Battery voltage alone cannot tell you the state of charge of a battery. It does give an accurate indication if the battery is under no load and has had plenty of time to "rest".
Under working conditions the voltage is less useful. Say for example the battery voltage read 10.5 volts. What is the state of charge?.... Well if the load is small then it's nearly flat but if the load is high then it could be fully chaged.
That's why battery monitors cost a little more and have a shunt to measure the current as well as the voltage.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 06-11-09, 17:16
Willow3 Willow3 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 168
Default

Agree with Crossbones.
A voltmeter is more use for keeping an eye on your charging system than trying to guess the state of charge of the battery.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 06-11-09, 18:44
ghostlymoron ghostlymoron is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 339
Default

I've had several occasions when the domestic battery was flat but with no indication I could not tell without lifting cushions, locker tops and measuring with my multimeter. (Cause of flat battery - sticking bilge pump float BTW). I thought a switched voltmeter would save me groping around in the dark. I don't measure the charge with load connected. Maybe I'm talking rubbish.
This is the sort of thing I'm looking at

Last edited by ghostlymoron; 06-11-09 at 19:06. Reason: picture added
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 06-11-09, 18:52
rich's Avatar
rich rich is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Posts: 2,357
Default

I have an old phillips decca unit that will give me volts, how accurate will it be?
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 06-11-09, 19:05
srm's Avatar
srm srm is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Orkney (north Scotland)
Posts: 616
Default

Had a simple digital volt meter on my catamaran (similar to the one shown in an earlier post) - previous owner had installed it in place of the extinct decca receiver. Found it most useful once I took the load into account. I just left it turned on the house batts when on board. Have used analogue volt meters on other boats but prefered the digital read out as being more accurate.
__________________
Prout Quest 31 for sale, near Plymouth and ready to go again.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 06-11-09, 19:12
ghostlymoron ghostlymoron is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 339
Default battery test meter

Sophie19,
Have you got a product reference for it. I couldn't find it on their site.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 06-11-09, 19:13
Sophie19's Avatar
Sophie19 Sophie19 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Essex
Posts: 31
Default Voltmeter

I have just recieved a battery test meter from Seamark-Nunn, along with other stuff and it seems just the job, panel mounted unit with three way rocker and a little dial. Cost under £20 and matches existing switch panel. Could be worth a look.
__________________
Steve D
"ahh, an' them's that dies will be the lucky ones"
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 06-11-09, 19:30
VicS's Avatar
VicS VicS is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Home: Kent. Boat: Chichester
Posts: 12,212
Default

Quote:
I have an old phillips decca unit that will give me volts, how accurate will it be?
Experience suggests that they are reasonably accurate. You could always check with a decent digital meter.
__________________
Old Chemists never die. They just fail to react
SeaWych OA http://www.seawych.org/
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 06-11-09, 19:37
VicS's Avatar
VicS VicS is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Home: Kent. Boat: Chichester
Posts: 12,212
Default

Quote:
Have used analogue volt meters on other boats but prefered the digital read out as being more accurate
Don't confuse accuracy and precision. Digital meters read to one or even two decimal places usually. But with an analogue meter you have to estimate the 1/10ths of a volt.

The greater precision of the digital scale does not necessarily mean that it is more accurate, ie closer to the correct value, than the analogue scale. It just seduces you into believing that it will be.
__________________
Old Chemists never die. They just fail to react
SeaWych OA http://www.seawych.org/
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 06-11-09, 22:42
Billjratt's Avatar
Billjratt Billjratt is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Prestwick
Posts: 1,405
Default

Just a thought : I assume you don't have ST60 instruments aboard????

They will tell you voltage, as will some GPS (furuno) and possibly other things like garmin plotters
What I'm trying to say is, it may well already be there - but you haven't found it yet.
__________________
Yours, etc.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 06-11-09, 22:53
halcyon's Avatar
halcyon halcyon is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 3,270
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by VicS View Post
The greater precision of the digital scale does not necessarily mean that it is more accurate, ie closer to the correct value, than the analogue scale. It just seduces you into believing that it will be.
There are that many variables that a more generalisation is better, that is to say 1 decimal place. So called battery status meters have to big a scale, so tell very little.

One thing not mentioned is a bar-graph, allows monitoring all batteries and amps on one simple unit.




Brian
__________________
Kddpowercentre designers and purveyors of fine charging systems for 30 years.
Powercentre spares and help line
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 07-11-09, 11:30
Grehan's Avatar
Grehan Grehan is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Inland France
Posts: 1,790
Default

Kind sir, your website needs looking at. Don't understand much of it, and some elements are obviously broken or not installed. Prices?
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 07-11-09, 12:08
ghostlymoron ghostlymoron is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 339
Default

Yes I do have ST60 instruments but was not aware they could give a voltage display. I'll have to read the instructions more carefully.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 09-11-09, 18:05
ghostlymoron ghostlymoron is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 339
Default

I've decided to go for one of these.


Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.