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Old 09-02-10, 19:51
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The standard used to be no connection to the steel hull. The problem is you can have the hull more positive than boat earth.
The old method was a 12 volt bulb connected to the hull. The bulb was fed by two push switches, one connected to positive, one to negative.
By pressing the positve switch, any earth connection to the hull would complete the circuit and light the bulb, bigger the fault, brighter the bulb.
By pressing the neg test switch, you check if the hull is positive to battery negative.

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Thanks Brian, I will give that a try later this week.
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Old 09-02-10, 20:43
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Default Interesting steel hull questions...

We have read a great deal, and discussed with experienced degree level electrical engineers, and a properly qualified ( engineering and nautical science degrees and years of metal boat experience as a Coastguard Engineering Officer in the engine room.....

Also written to Brent Swain about what he does.....

We have on our steel hull,

A double breaker system, breaking both the positive and negative of the 12 volt circuits.

Not really necessary if the normal single breaker system is well wired and there is no chaffing of cables.

It is believed necessary to have a return to the steel hull in at least one place in order that a fault in the wiring of an appliance, or cable chaffing, will complete a circuit and trip the breaker.

No circuit no tripping!

Large vessels often have blinking light to indicate ok condition, continous to indicate faults.

With a steel hull using a 1/2 silver cell and meter will allow for accurate reading.

One end with the silver cell is lowered into the water, the probe attached to parts of the metal vessel, and low level voltage reading taken.

With an adequatly zinced vessel the reading should be in the region of 0.5 to 0.6 volts which will indicate neutral as the salt water is providing most of the voltage in contact with the silver. ( Check the reading given here ....... I do not have my manual with me)

Although a regular multi meter will work the 1/2 silver meter is better.

See this site for info on checking for hot spots on a fibreglass boat....

www.protroll.com/books/?id=5&p_id=4

Measuring in brackish or fresh water will give different readings.

My friend borrowed my meter set up and took it around his aluminium sailboat, and then offered to measure the metal boats at the ddock. Many owners didn't want to know the results.

If in doubt check metal on an old dock,(will not be protected by zinc) and a well kept new metal boat for its voltage.


Hope this helps.

Perhaps you would like to post your voltage readings.
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Old 09-02-10, 21:35
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A metal boat employing the hull as an earth return is not a good idea. It does not always cause problems, but sometimes the results can be serious corrosion.
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Paserall, thanks for that, I knew it happened but didn't know the physics of it. Much appreciated.
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With a steel hull using a 1/2 silver cell and meter will allow for accurate reading.

One end with the silver cell is lowered into the water, the probe attached to parts of the metal vessel, and low level voltage reading taken.

With an adequatly zinced vessel the reading should be in the region of 0.5 to 0.6 volts which will indicate neutral as the salt water is providing most of the voltage in contact with the silver. ( Check the reading given here ....... I do not have my manual with me)
In seawater it should be more in the 850 - 950mV range. On my boat there is one link between the earth and batt neg, through the engine block. Everything else has 2 wires, pos & neg.

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Help please. At our last haul out we found some electrolisis on the hull. Not good. It then occured to me that earthing the system, batteries, starter etc to the hull may be the problem. DOES THE 12 VOLT EARTH NEED TO GO TO THE HULL OR COULD IT GO DIRECT TO THE BATTERY NEG? Any thought would be gratefully recieved. Thanks
You may find this very good article by the Metal Boat Society useful.

www.kastenmarine.com/mbqCref.pdf

It certainly helped us when we had problems (too many anodes).

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