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Old 29-10-09, 22:50
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Is it a legal requirement to keep a written log in Spain/France/Italy/Greece (not interested in Turkey because I don't have a grey water tank)....and if so, what is the very minimum information you have to record?
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Old 30-10-09, 00:28
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Default Log/passage plan and the insurance company

Can't say that I've ever heard of a requirement for a wrtten log (post the event) but I bet your insurance company will suddenly find a need for you to have produced a passage plan (pre-the event) if you ever have a bump (anything to get out of paying).. mind you, you can always claim that it "went down with the ship". None of the countries you mentioned have ever asked for one in the last 15 years and as we are on the way to Turkey next year.... well visions of "Midnight Express" come to mind for breaking the rules.

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Old 30-10-09, 06:25
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Good morning:

What's with the comment about not having a grey water tank?

Where did you get the idea that you had to have a grey water tank in Turkey?

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Good morning:

What's with the comment about not having a grey water tank?

Where did you get the idea that you had to have a grey water tank in Turkey?

Cheers

Squeaky
You'd better get up-to-date, Squeaky:-

Here is the edict:_

Republic of Turkey Governorship of Mugla
Provincial Local Environmental Commission
Date of Decision Decision No.
: 03.07.2009 : 178
DECISION OF THE LOCAL ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION
The Local Environmental Commission headed by Governor Dr. Ahmet ALTIPARMAK convened on Friday, 03.07.2009,10:00 a.m. to discuss the items on the agenda.
AGENDA:
A-) Controlling Waste Generated from Sea Vessels
DECISION:
A -) For prohibiting marine pollution in our province, the following decisions - which are based on the recommendations listed in the report of the Sub Commission formed in accordance with the Article C of the Local Environmental Commission Decision No. 177 dated 24/06/2009- have been identified to apply to all national and foreign flagships within Mugla Province marine areas and inland waters.
1 - The cards will be designed by the Provincial Directorate of Environment and Forestry and will be printed in collaboration with the related public offices and the NGOs.
2 - The issuing and the delivery of the cards to the ships will be performed by the Port Authorities, Customs Guard Directorates, Environmental Protection Agency for Special Areas (EPASA) Directorate in special protection areas, waste acceptance facilities, marina offices, pump-out boats and by the mobile officer teams that will be formed.
3 - In case the said cards have not been procured by the operators of ships, the Port Authorities will refuse sea pass and not issue sea transit licenses to those ships.
4 - 3 digital card readers will be placed at the Coast Guard Commands, 1 digital card reader will be placed at the Provincial Environment and Forestry Directorate and 1 digital card reader will be placed at EPASA Directorate.
5 - Card issuance devices will be placed at the Port Authorities, Customs Guard Directorates, marinas, waste acceptance facilities, pump-out boats and books will be kept for waste acceptance at waste disposal facilities.
6- The waste generators are obliged to pay the waste transfer fee to the licensed waste acceptance units, and those who transfer waste are obliged to pay the disposal fee to the disposal units according to the Official Notice No. 26284 that entered into force on September 9, 2006 "Fees and Principles to be applied as part of the By-Law for Collecting and Controlling Waste from Ships".
7 - Waste water from hand washing basins and showers must necessarily be connected to waste water tanks and waste water should not be discharged directly into the sea. This feature should be checked by the Port Authorities as part of the surveys conducted for issuing Certificates of Seaworthiness and in case the requirement is not met, the Certificate will not be issued and/or a penalty will be imposed in accordance with the Environment Law No. 2872.
8 - For the boats with automatic float switch bilge discharge systems, the operators of the boats will be held responsible and be subject to penalty in case of any discharge of bilge water into the sea.
9 - Coloring tablets in accordance with the Environment and Health regulation will be placed in waste water tanks to avoid and identify any uncontrolled discharge of waste water by the ships during their open sea transits.
10 - Marinas, ports, fisherman shelters, boat stopover locations and municipalities should be involved in the construction of waste transfer and disposal units and inadequacies should urgently be eliminated.
11- Article C of the Local Environmental Commission Decision No. 141 dated 25/05/2006 will be annulled.
The decisions above have been identified unanimously.
All individuals are obliged to obey the principles and procedures determined for protecting the environmental values and biodiversity of the Fethiye - Gocek Special Protection Region and prohibiting pollution.
All boats entering the Gocek Gulf and the Gocek-Dalaman Bays are obliged to submit their grey/black water and bilge water to the Common Waste Acceptance Facility located on the Gocek Gulf or to the Pump out Boat. Under no circumstances waste water can be discharged into the sea.
All boats entering the Gocek Gulf and the Gocek-Dalaman Bays are obliged to hold the Blue Card issued as part of the Blue Card Program initiated by the Mugla Provincial Environment and Forestry Directorate. The boats are obliged to present the Blue Card each time they submit waste and they are obliged to declare the Blue Card to the authorized officers during controls.
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Old 30-10-09, 15:20
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Wow!!!
That will put the cat among the pigeons if it is fully enforced.
I hope that they are just using this as a catch-all to stop
some people from trying to weasel out of paying for sloppy behaviour.
Suspect it is primarily aimed at cruise ships etc. rather than yachties.
Having lived in Marmaris for over 15 years I am familiar
with flexible policing attitude and live with it OK.
However, I don't own a boat, just varnish other people's.
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Chris
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WOW well that was certainly an eye opener to me Charles. Thank you so much for publishing it. We will definitely NOT be going to Turkey now as we do not have a grey water holding tank. We do have a normal holding tank. So we shall do Greece and Cyprus but miss out Turkey.. What a pity!

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WOW well that was certainly an eye opener to me Charles. Thank you so much for publishing it. We will definitely NOT be going to Turkey now as we do not have a grey water holding tank. We do have a normal holding tank. So we shall do Greece and Cyprus but miss out Turkey.. What a pity!

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It would be a shame to ignore Turkey complete, remember this only applies in the Gocek Gulf.
There is a lot more sailing in Turkey avoiding this area. If you are going from Greece to Cyprus then it really you shouldn't avoid Kas, Kekova etc.
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Is it a legal requirement to keep a written log in Spain/France/Italy/Greece (not interested in Turkey because I don't have a grey water tank)....and if so, what is the very minimum information you have to record?
Hi,

If your boat is Spannish Registered than you should in Spanish waters. However looking at the log book of my boat they only logged details when they sailed out of Spannish waters or changed permanent marina bases.

The Guardia may ask for your log around here, even on a British boat, mainly to see if you have been to Africa. I do not think it essential but it may help smooth through an inspection.

Hope that helps

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If the insurance companies want to see a "passage plan" then I reckon you'll have to show some sort of log?
I keep a log which shows Time,Log, Comp,Wind Sp/Dr,Eng Hrs,Baro,Sea,Lat,Long. Also record weather forecast.If you've got friends on board also their names logged and a safety briefing given. Should be all written in ink.
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[QUOTE=djk;2298371]If the insurance companies want to see a "passage plan" then I reckon you'll have to show some sort of log?

I don't think my insurance requires this. Any other views?
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Just checked with my insurance company this morning-it's NOT a requirement to keep a log or passage plan!
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