The new boat has a mixture of chain and rope. I would trust all chain more so the question is, what length of chain would it be sensible to have given the area we are in and assuming we will visit the usual haunts?
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The new boat has a mixture of chain and rope. I would trust all chain more so the question is, what length of chain would it be sensible to have given the area we are in and assuming we will visit the usual haunts?
I used to find rope and chain a pain in the neck, then later I had 20 metres of chain, which was never enough. I now have 60 metres of chain. I cant say I've used the 60 metres very often, but to much is better than to little.
Mostly round wales I let out about 30 metres, probably more than necesary, but on the other hand I dont move. So if you want to scimp 30 metres, 40 would be better.
If your thinking of joining the chain be carefull, the rivet together link thingies they sell in the swindelers for the job are very weak and soon rot away. Tried it once but never trusted it after I seen rusted away ones.
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Thanks Haydn, I was thinking of joining it, but you've got me thinking now. Trouble is, if I go for all new chain, what do I do with the stuff I've got?
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I'm not saying it cant be joined, but I'd be using a proper D hook or something, but then you will have to see if it will go round your windlass or down the hole.
I think some one makes a good link, not sure who, but watch out for the cheap chinese ones, I tapped one with a hammer and it fell apart.
Also dont forget, you need calibrated chain if you have a windlass, else it will go clunkity clunk and slip.
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I used to anchor a (heavy) 26ft Macwester round those areas with no problem using chain 30m plus 60m anchorplait. I also used a cqr, that everyone now says is useless, with no problems.
I think you main need is to put out plenty of chain/rope. Don't be mean with it. If you have a winch (which I didn't) then you can get it in ok.
You must make sure that the chain is the right, calibrated, size for your winch. You also have to make certain that you can pull in the rope as well. If not, will have to be all chain.
An anchor 'angel, is any sort of weight, eg lump of lead, bucket full of concrete, expensive shiny weight, etc that can be attached part way along an anchor chain/rope to keep it down and provide "spring" as the pull of the boat lifts it a bit as waves and tide move the boat about, It compensates for not having a lot of heavy chain out.
The tidal range on the N coast of Anglsey is ~7-8 m on springs. Most(?) anchorages are in 2-3m charted depth, but there are some that are deeper.
(Tidal range on S and W coasts of Anglsey & the Llyn Peninsula are significantly less, so not an issue if you can cope the the N coast.)
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Phill, the above is good imput by Andy.
All chain is best for You.
What you have seems the correct calibration from a quick glance at Your newly aquired Ship
As hlb says tiss the chain on the deck which does a lot of the job.
Your 'Fortress' anchor is well suited to Your vessel, so tha's ok.
Taint like you are going to anchor in very deep water on purpose.
The nice anchorages you will visit in the near future will be in fairly shallow places.
Good place to have a first overnight on the hook is Llanddwyn.
Actually there today it was nice!
Have you measured the rode that you currently have?
The weight issue, taint a prob.
In fact, from driving boats like yours a bit of weight up front is quite nice.
BRIZA as you have noticed kinda drives more 'flat'.
When She runs
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Just a guess, but I suspect the reason your boat has a rope/chain rode is to minimise the weight in the bow. Mucky F is a big beast & wouldn't notice several hundred lbs weight in the bow. 30-40m of chain is close to 100lbs ish. That is like a person stood on the bows. How would that affect your trim or planing capability?
You could try a good heavy angel which can be stored low down amidships & brought out when needed. There was one of the anchor johnnies on Scuttlebutt that tried to say angels were no use, but the "proof" he pointed to actually said that a chain & rope rode with an angel was the most efficient anchoring technique!
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Just a guess, but I suspect the reason your boat has a rope/chain rode is to minimise the weight in the bow. Mucky F is a big beast & wouldn't notice several hundred lbs weight in the bow. 30-40m of chain is close to 100lbs ish. That is like a person stood on the bows. How would that affect your trim or planing capability?
You could try a good heavy angel which can be stored low down amidships & brought out when needed. There was one of the anchor johnnies on Scuttlebutt that tried to say angels were no use, but the "proof" he pointed to actually said that a chain & rope rode with an angel was the most efficient anchoring technique!
I think you might be partly right, but as it's all original I suspect there was also a cost issue, it is French you know! The boat has an electric windlass which is also making me think all chain would be better as I can see problems occuring when we get to the rope section.
I don't really fancy making Liz hump the anchor up from below when it's needed .
Don't know what an angel is, unless it's the old fashioned 'Popeye' style anchor is it? I think the boat will stand quite a bit more weight on the bow, but I might be wrong of course!
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HI Phil & Liz
I still have the chain I removed from Seafisher cluttering up the garage. It held in some of the biggest tides in the narrows near Carnafon bar so should be fine for most places you are likely to visit.
Only changed it because I had to replace the windlass and needed a smaller gauge chain. I think the original windlass was the same as yours. I'll check at the weekend how long it is and what the link sizes are.
Hi Bob nice to hear from you, how are things in Deganwy?
Thanks for that, although I'm sure mine's 8mm I'm not sure of the rest of the dimensions. I'll check em this weekend and if they match I'll buy yours of you if I can.
You not coming to Caernarfon Saturday then?
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Unforunately I'm not down at the weekend, it would have been great to meet up with all the local forumites.
I'm sure the chain is 8mm. I think the white windlass with the two buttons on top was common to a number of the Antares range. I'll call you shortly to let you know when I will be around.
Unforunately I'm not down at the weekend, it would have been great to meet up with all the local forumites.
I'm sure the chain is 8mm. I think the white windlass with the two buttons on top was common to a number of the Antares range. I'll call you shortly to let you know when I will be around.
Bob
Good job Bob aint coming
A little bird told me you lot got 'Ratted' last time there was a coming together
I reckon the chain will fit or I,m the 'Missing Link'
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I wouldn't worry TOO much about joining chain with riveted links. My 55 metres is joined in 2 places and never had a concern until I read dire warnings on the forum. I check them regularly and still firm after 4 years constant use.
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