So some of you may recall a couple of posts about tenders and Studland beach. I have just received what would appear to be the National Trust's final word on the matter. In short, the answer seems to be "we can't be bothered talking to you any more, and anyway, it's up to us what we do".
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The good thing about them is that they have no arrogance.
I wouldn't put money in their coffers. How do they end up with what appear to be almost statutory powers. Guardians of Britains heritage - I don't think so.
"Unfortunately I feel that it is not prudent of my time to reply to all your points raised."
"I am afraid the list of possible offences and occasions is too long to note as with up to a million visitors per year all sorts of incidents occur that have to be taken on a case by case basis."
"As I am sure you are aware from the media anti social behaviour comes in many guises nowadays."
"I feel that the need for access to land for people does not extend to vehicles/boats being invited on which would devalue natutral areas greatly."
So, they have unwritten rules that they can't be bothered to explain and which they enforce arbitrarily, they infer that I am guily of anti-social behavour, and don't believe I have any right to be there if I arrive from the sea. Nice. I have responded, and cc'd the Director General of the NT.
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I think you should get an ASBO just think of the damage your dinghy could cause if one of the naturist got his dick round yer prop, and I dread to think what might happen if some woman fell on yer anchor. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
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Dave, they aren't even civil servants. The organisation's a bloody charity. The public's donations pay these jobsworths to dictate how, where and when we can access land that was entrusted to them.
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Well, I'm going to put my head above the parapet and say that I think that the NT does an excellent job. Just look at the size of its "estate" and ask yourselves why so many people have been prepared to hand over/bequeath their properties for the enjoyment of us all. As was said earlier "For everyone, for ever"; it's not just there to indulge a few boaters.
The rules are no different from the "No picnicing" rules which they understandably have in most of the inland sites. There are many beaches in the Poole area, and you've got boats to get there. Why not?
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Ah, well, Joe. The same jobsworth actually went the extra mile, and pointed out that I wasn't welcome by boat on any of the Poole or Bournemouth beaches either. I'm sure they do an excellent job overall, but the Studland lot seem to be particularly zealous, shall we say. Have you read of some of their rather heavy handed tactics with the naturists? See here for a bit of the history. Even the Dorset Police have stopped supporting the NT...
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Don't know exactly as never been involved but don't most of these "bequests" come about as a response to death / inheritance tax and a means for a family to retain a home albeit with restrictions on their former freedoms and the need to accept "visitors".
Recent TV prog had a property on their that they had taken over as family could not pay taxes and NT was a way of staying "in residence".
Would be a little surprised if they all left property to NT as they were so good? I used to be a member and found the organisation was on occasion blooming awful.
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Makes two of us Haydn. I feel exactly the same. A lot of these jumped up tin hitlers need sorting out big time and made to remember that we actually pay their wages.
But they are not Public Servants, and 'we' don't pay their wages. Actually I do cos I'm a member, but many people seem unaware they are independent of government, and are a charity, and don't have a duty to the general public
It dont make any difference. There all in a position of authority, without any comercial restraint. I've seen it all the way up from the local British legion club comittee, to Tony Blure. With few exceptions, there all folk who failed, or gave up before they started, in the real world. So picked Politics, Charities, or even Scout Master, inorder to persue there chosen perversions. Usually the control of others, with little or no restraint, aided and abetted by there cronies in this new Beurocratic ecconomy based on control. Speed cameras, Trafic Wardens, thought police. None of it voted for, none of them accountable.
They are self procreating. First create more rules/ laws. Then employ more folks to enforce them with zellous behaviour. Loose money, invent more rules/laws to keep there heads above water and so it permitates the whole of society. Health and safety turned me into a jibbering wreck, how many others gave up on british industrie. Move into other areas and it's not long before all the parasites are there again, all hell bent on control.
Left to natural selection, if a road gets to busy, to many parked cars. Folk move to some place else. Same with the beach, you find a clear spot or eventualy stop going and find another place. Trouble is now, nearly every where is controled.
I gave up on Windermere years ago because of NT and there Stalinistic control, looks like there now fighting over the rest of the country with the other slothes.
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I quite like the way that the NT run most of their properties, and it balances protection with public access, and I've visited many of them. Studland is a bit unusual in their portfolio.
What problems did you have with National Trust in Windermere? I thought most of the issues there were due to other bodies
I strongly object to this inclusion. Scout Leaders (they have not been called Scout Masters for 30 years)are not in the same category, they are not paid and their role in youth work is completely different to the others included in these postings.
Seeing as they're so co-operative, perhaps everyone should stop paying the fees to anchor in Newtown creek - seeing as they have no statutory right to collect fees (unless you're using their buoys)?
Don't know if you saw a series about the NT a while back, at least one episode of which was devoted to Studland and which ended with the then person responsible for the area leaving (for New Zealand, I think!). He was, let's say, rather lacking in interpersonal skills and it sounds as if things haven't improved much since he left................
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Well Wiggo, I thought of you only yesterday when I pulled up at a motorway services. As usual, I was pounced upon by some girl trying to flog me credit cards that were issued by MBNA but the affinity holder was....NT.
"Would you like to help the NT? - all you need to do is sign up for this card and every purchase you make"NO...At this point, I stated my dislike of the arrogant NT and in my best Basil Faulty, went off on one, and the poor girl didn't know where to put herself. Good for a laugh! [img]/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
Actually the NT and its management has been one of my bugbears for a very long time. The NT is actually a registed charity with no democratic control or accountability.
The Governance Structure is or will be soon
A small Board of Trustees made up of about 12 members with the very best balance of skills and expertise. It will be responsible for the running of the charity and for making sure that the organisation works as well as possible to deliver its core purposes. The majority of the Board of Trustees will also be Council members.
A strong, representative Council which will appoint the trustees and make sure they discharge their responsibilities properly. As now, the Council will be made up of 52 members, 26 elected by the members of the National Trust and 26 appointed by organisations whose interests coincide in some way with those of the National Trust.
I feel such a huge organisation purporting to serve the public interest should have a more open and democratically accountable management structure.
If I may digress a little, I was on Studland for BH and was told NT had banned BBQs even in the BBQ area. You are only to use a BBQ after 1800 hrs in the BBQ area.
Not sure if this is a 'Law' but we didnt take any notice, the tender was on the beach and we made loads of smoke !
Why not organise a mass "invasion" of studland beach from the sea. Say 500 Mobos and yachts all anchored just off the beach then all go ashore in their tenders - can't arrest saw 1500~2000 people can they?
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cliff that would be any normal sunny weekend in August then!
I haven't experienced any problems taking the dingy in to the Southern most beach yet, which is the least family sunbathing orientated one, but can understand the potential issue if all the boats normally anchored there decided to shift over to the more touristy beaches and plonk a tender in the middle.
re the comment about 'go somewhere else' in practice the only places to land families from small craft are either owned by the NT - Brownsea, Shell Bay and Studland or the main Poole / Bournemouth beaches. Compared to the Solent we have quiet a lot of good places really but the NT does have a very large proportion!
I'm not sure what incident was in the original post but have my own views re the NT and Srudland from way back when the land was handed over to them from the Bankes Estste. The NT tried charging us then 50p I think to land with a dinghy - they were told a few home truths then by quite a few folks. Next they built carparks where none previously existed, so more and more people arrived in their cars and not surprisingly walked the walk up to Old Harry. The NT said all those visitors they were now getting were damaging the footpaths so they widened them and reinforced bits, cutting away the natural hedges in the process and spoiling IMO part of the natural beauty.
Similar result too in North Wales where as a yoof I used to mountain walk/climb, the paths were getting worn. Paths were wearing for centuries, that is how they were made. So what if bits crumbled and new route arounds were made - that is natural progression in my view. Otherwise just take a few pics and ban visitors.
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Thats my point, whether it be Windermere Wales, Studland and no matter which beaurocratic body. Firstly they restrict access, then parking, till they have herded every one into a controlable area.
Thats of course why they dont want boats or dinghys, They are to free and difficult to regiment them into the overall master plan, whatever this maybe.
Suppose it's why most of us bought boats in the first place. To get away from the ever pervading encrochement of officialdom.
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