I really don't want to get in to a slanging match. You do seem to have misunderstood the relevance of Ghosh. It is not restricted to the facts of the case, it sets out a test that is applied in all offences were dishonesty forms part of the 'mens rea'. Yes I am a criminal lawyer, although the advice that I offered was not given in that capacity. Am I being negative? I would rather say 'cautious' . A caution that is preferable to arguing the rights or wrongs of a situation at midnight in a smelly police cell. I was reading the forum as I have an interest in boats and to escape the day job. I t was certainly not my intention to get into a brawl with the forums legal expert. Anyway, my final words. Happy sailing.