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Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK
      13/05/2008 10:22

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Regarding cost, this is simply bullshit!!

How much is a life worth??

How much do you pay for your household 'FIRE/contents Insurance policy' & how many times have most of us seen a Fire Engine up our street? Probably very few times!




Oh gawd - here we go - another "bubblewrap everything because it is safer" post ...

Do you:

Wear a crash helmet, knee and elbow pads whilst walking down the road? You could be hit by anything or trip over a stone so you should really.

Put your lifejacket on and inflate it before going afloat? What if the gas bottle fails?

Do you have a LR in your tender? What if that sinks on an ebb tide ....

Put your lifejacket on and have your survival suit ready when walking along the beach? What if a rouge wave comes in?

Have a full first aid kit complete with leg splints and defib unit about your person the whole time? What if you fall off a curb and have a heart attack?

Is there a Fire extinguisher and blanket ready for deployment when you light a BBQ or operate any electrical equipment? It could catch fire ....

Am I saying that you shouldn't have a liferaft? No ... of course not ... but it is dependent on your perception of the risk. I'm one of those reckless individuals that doesn't wear their LJ all the time - I didn't even put it on last weekend - we don't have a liferaft either - with the sort of sailing we do this chances of needing one are so slight that I'd rather spend the money on items that may actually see some use - ensuring that we don't need the LR to start with ....

A lot of sailing is about risk management - do you have a safety line on when going up the mast - are you expecting the main line to fail? If not, could the spare line not fail too? Should you put a 3rd line on?

Should you be going out in weather where you deem the LR to be of importance - are you expecting your boat to fail - if so, shouldn't you look at resolving those issues first ... what would cause a boat to sink?

1) Mast coming down and puncturing the hull - check the rigging - replace it, have a redundant spare, have bolt croppers to get rid of it as quickly as possible
2) Keel falling off - buy a boat with an encapsulated keel
3) Seacock / Skin fitting / Pipe failure - get the highest possible quality fittings, inspect often, replace before they need it, have bungs/padding available, have suitable pumps and buckets at hand
4) Collision - difficult to mitigate against - could be you are hit by another craft or you hit a submerged object in the water - for the first, make sure you have RADAR and know how to operate - take avoiding action as early as possible, for the second - how about considering making the bow section a sacraficial bow - fill in the forepeak stowage with suitable buoyancy - make the door to the forepeak watertight. Have a keel and rudder design that won't fall off when hit
5) Rolling/pooping - don't go out in weather (or forecasted weather) conditions that would make this a possibility ...
6) Fire - Have additional automatic fire extinguishers onboard in the likely places, make sure all your electrical items are suitably protected, remove gas appliances/bottles, do not allow smoking on board.

Any other reasons you may wish to take to your liferaft?
For many, the risk is so low that it really isn't worth purchasing a LR - you'd do better spending the £500 on a family holiday somewhere hotter!

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* "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK RGH 12/05/2008 17:03
. * * RNLI Sea Safety contribution Peter_Chennell   16/05/2008 11:56
. * * Re: RNLI Sea Safety contribution Fireball   16/05/2008 12:04
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK nct1   14/05/2008 12:47
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Tranona   14/05/2008 15:39
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK nct1   14/05/2008 18:26
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Tranona   14/05/2008 19:46
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK nct1   15/05/2008 12:59
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Fireball   15/05/2008 13:23
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK nct1   15/05/2008 14:33
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Fireball   15/05/2008 14:55
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Sailfree   15/05/2008 16:43
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Captainslarty   15/05/2008 13:35
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Tranona   15/05/2008 16:55
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Fireball   15/05/2008 14:07
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Tranona   15/05/2008 17:27
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK jonjo   15/05/2008 21:15
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK WindFinder   15/05/2008 21:23
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK WindFinder   15/05/2008 18:44
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Fireball   15/05/2008 22:28
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK DavenHelen   16/05/2008 09:03
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Fireball   16/05/2008 09:28
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Chrusty1   16/05/2008 09:11
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Moonfire   15/05/2008 19:36
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK WindFinder   15/05/2008 20:03
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Moonfire   15/05/2008 20:16
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Sailfree   15/05/2008 18:02
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK DavenHelen   15/05/2008 14:27
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Fireball   15/05/2008 14:38
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK DavenHelen   15/05/2008 14:58
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Chrusty1   15/05/2008 13:45
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Chrusty1   15/05/2008 13:33
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Moonfire   14/05/2008 20:49
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Tranona   15/05/2008 09:23
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK WindFinder   14/05/2008 23:14
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Moonfire   15/05/2008 09:21
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Tranona   14/05/2008 22:43
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Moonfire   15/05/2008 09:34
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK alant   15/05/2008 06:43
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Fireball   15/05/2008 07:48
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Sailfree   14/05/2008 19:39
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Sailfree   14/05/2008 16:54
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK jordanbasset   14/05/2008 17:00
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK DavenHelen   14/05/2008 16:03
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Tranona   14/05/2008 16:49
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK DavenHelen   15/05/2008 08:49
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK jordanbasset   15/05/2008 11:12
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Tranona   15/05/2008 09:00
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK DavenHelen   15/05/2008 09:07
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Tranona   15/05/2008 09:40
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK DavenHelen   15/05/2008 10:18
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Tranona   15/05/2008 11:15
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK DavenHelen   15/05/2008 12:16
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK QuestGirl   13/05/2008 17:08
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK jack_sparrow   13/05/2008 15:37
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Tranona   13/05/2008 16:11
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK WindFinder   13/05/2008 17:51
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK alant   13/05/2008 23:47
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK DogWatch   14/05/2008 00:31
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Tranona   13/05/2008 19:39
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK alant   13/05/2008 23:45
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK DogWatch   14/05/2008 00:30
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK alant   14/05/2008 08:19
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Login_name   14/05/2008 17:33
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Tranona   14/05/2008 11:21
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK alant   14/05/2008 18:24
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK jordanbasset   13/05/2008 20:39
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK alant   13/05/2008 23:40
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Fireball   14/05/2008 06:22
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Fireball   13/05/2008 16:19
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Fireball   13/05/2008 15:45
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK DavenHelen   13/05/2008 16:02
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Fireball   13/05/2008 16:15
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Nicki_Crutchfield   13/05/2008 01:18
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK csail   13/05/2008 09:49
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK steve_clayton   12/05/2008 19:41
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK BlueChip   12/05/2008 19:16
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK RGH   12/05/2008 20:26
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Searush   12/05/2008 22:20
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK LadyInBed   16/05/2008 13:10
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Login_name   13/05/2008 00:11
. * * exposure homa   12/05/2008 18:48
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK michael_w   12/05/2008 18:45
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK alant   12/05/2008 18:37
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Chrusty1   12/05/2008 18:50
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK RGH   13/05/2008 10:06
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK alant   13/05/2008 09:58
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Tranona   13/05/2008 11:53
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Fireball   13/05/2008 11:59
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Tranona   13/05/2008 12:16
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Sailfree   13/05/2008 13:08
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK DJE   13/05/2008 12:06
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Chrusty1   13/05/2008 10:41
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Fireball   13/05/2008 10:22
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK alant   13/05/2008 10:46
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Fireball   13/05/2008 11:05
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK alant   13/05/2008 13:27
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Tranona   13/05/2008 14:07
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK alant   13/05/2008 15:20
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Fireball   13/05/2008 15:28
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Chrusty1   13/05/2008 13:46
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Fireball   13/05/2008 13:38
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK alant   13/05/2008 15:11
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK DogWatch   13/05/2008 15:58
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Fireball   13/05/2008 15:59
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Tranona   13/05/2008 15:24
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Fireball   13/05/2008 15:23
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK stevebrassett   13/05/2008 15:37
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Clifford_Pope   13/05/2008 13:50
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Fireball   13/05/2008 14:06
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Kevin_Mac   13/05/2008 10:30
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Chrusty1   13/05/2008 10:34
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK homa   12/05/2008 18:23
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Moonfire   12/05/2008 18:35
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Tranona   12/05/2008 18:48
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Moonfire   12/05/2008 19:01
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Tranona   12/05/2008 23:44
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK peterb   13/05/2008 00:16
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Tranona   13/05/2008 00:30
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK mikehibb   12/05/2008 19:16
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK David_Jersey   12/05/2008 17:45
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Tranona   12/05/2008 18:07
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Login_name   12/05/2008 18:12
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK SAWDOC   12/05/2008 20:21
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Gludy   12/05/2008 18:15
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Login_name   12/05/2008 17:33
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK alan17   12/05/2008 17:42
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Login_name   12/05/2008 18:06
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Morgana   12/05/2008 18:12
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Chrusty1   12/05/2008 18:22
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK Kermudjon   12/05/2008 17:14
. * * Re: "Liferaft" is it needed for coastal cruising in UK bendyone   12/05/2008 17:06

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